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									11/8/69 Dripping Pen Card &amp; 340 Cipher mailed to the SF Chronicle - Zodiac Discussion Forum				            </title>
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                        <title>The Meaning of &quot;DES&quot;</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2021 22:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[In this video I will explain the meaning of &quot;DES&quot;.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[In this video I will explain the meaning of &quot;DES&quot;.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcXPND3sXSQ 

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                        <title>here`s a clue</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2017 17:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[can you work with that ---&gt;



you can crack it now, thank me later XD]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[can you work with that ---&gt;

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you can crack it now, thank me later XD]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>340 ?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2017 06:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I do not see the 340 posted with the &quot;dripping pen card.&quot; It says it is there.

I am not sure if I am over looking it or that it is just not there.

What I would really like is to ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I do not see the 340 posted with the &quot;dripping pen card.&quot; It says it is there.

I am not sure if I am over looking it or that it is just not there.

What I would really like is to have a copy of the original. The one that would have been &quot;folded&quot; with blue writing and yellowed with age. Has this one ever been obtained? The others that I have seen do not have fold lines........And the 340 must have been folded.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Is it meant to be folded?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2016 21:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hey everyone,

I recently came up with a new theory about the 340 cipher.  I believe it is not a cipher at all, but rather a sheet of symbols that, if folded correctly, will reveal a hidden ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Hey everyone,

I recently came up with a new theory about the 340 cipher.  I believe it is not a cipher at all, but rather a sheet of symbols that, if folded correctly, will reveal a hidden message.  

My inspiration for this idea stems from this image:
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The image resembles a portion of the Halloween Card.  As you can see from the image I provided, the picture is intended to be folded in a way in which the blue lines meet.  The text that extends beyond the lines meshes together to form a new message. 

I also believe Z used the Halloween Card to tell us the 340 is not a cipher.  The envelope of the card contained the phrase, &quot;sorry no cipher.&quot;  Everyone assumes this message refers to the card itself, but I believe he was indicating that the 340 was not a cipher, since almost everything in the card seems to indicate something about the 340.  

I have experimented with folding the 340 in many ways.  When multiple folds are made correctly, the mirrored text begins to line up with the uncoded text.  In addition, certain folds will combine two coded symbols to form a traditional letter.  I believe a correct series of folds will form an entirely coherent message.

I am unsure if the folds should create a 3D object, similar to origami, or a flat shape, similar to the way people fold dollar bills using the text to form a new message.  It is also possible that the cipher should be cut at some places before folds are made, similar to kiragami.  In any case, it seems apparent to me that the cipher should be folded to reveal a new message.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Eduard Versluijs&#039; possible solution to the 340 code</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2014 15:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Many years ago I came up with this as a partial possible solution but never finished the whole breaking of the code:

OINEEDKIDSDOINGAS
LEERIFTMHAISYFSTC
RIMEDETISAIIIFFON
WEEOKDAAICETEENSA
...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Many years ago I came up with this as a partial possible solution but never finished the whole breaking of the code:

OINEEDKIDSDOINGAS
LEERIFTMHAISYFSTC
RIMEDETISAIIIFFON
WEEOKDAAICETEENSA
REDEADASDMODECLSO
EANKODTLASNSOEAHI
FMESIMEATENGISAID
IGAOTAFTERLIFEKID
SYDEAEINAOREONNLS
LFDTIEKOETEOYOROL
TENOMDIDHIREANDST
AYEDNODAMNMDSECRO
FNDWIFELDMOREWEAN
DGOLKTMAMASEIMDEE
IRNOAMLDNIEITIMLE
DESCARSWTEKSTDIGA
NENEIMANYEODARDLI
EECANAAEDTWONOWIE
DOSSAYODDRITUALNE
EDHOLESWAITANDSEE

These are the readable words/lines in it.

I need kids doing as
eeri ha
I'm 
teens
are dead as mode
eaten I said
I afterlife 
kids in 
tie 
ten did hire and
stayed no damn second
I feld more we and
go mama I'm Dee
I no am
scars dig
many lie
can two now
say odd ritual
need holes wait and see

Most likely faulty but the fact I got at the end &quot;wait and see&quot; made me shiver!]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Victims = 7</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2013 15:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi,

my girl (lovely, from St. Petersburg) mentioned a detail on the Dripping Pen card. There Z mentions

Dec
July
Aug
Sept
Oct
=7

possibly starting his deathcount with this card. Now I won...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Hi,

my girl (lovely, from St. Petersburg) mentioned a detail on the Dripping Pen card. There Z mentions

Dec
July
Aug
Sept
Oct
=7

possibly starting his deathcount with this card. Now I wonder, actually had been the victims. The card was sent in November 1969:

Dec - Jensen/Faraday
July - Ferrin
Aug - ???
Sept - Shephard
Oct - Stine

So I count an overall of five victims. It is not possible that Z had mentioned Hartnell and Mageau being a victim. Not only that he probably had followed his crimes in the newspaper, but als he mentions August as a month of his activity.

In August, however, there are no known Z victims yet. There was the double murder of Furlong/Snoozy, however, but Karl F. Werner pleaded guilty to this crime.

So my question is - who are the 1969 August victims of Zodiac?

QT


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                        <title>Significance of stippled dots - the 132 clue</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 16:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Last night, before hitting the hay, I was going over one of my theories about the stippled dots that appear under the 6 exclamation marks on the Dripping Pen letter.

Mike Rodelli noticed th...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Last night, before hitting the hay, I was going over one of my theories about the stippled dots that appear under the 6 exclamation marks on the Dripping Pen letter.

Mike Rodelli noticed that these dots seem to form a pattern of either 2-3-1 dots, or 1-3-2 dots, depending on how you oeient the page. He theorized--and I supect he was right--that this may have foreshadowed the Kathleen Johns kidnapping on highway 132. As I think about it today, I might suggest that the location was intended to indicate which orientation was correct, since a choice would logically necessary.

For some time, I have been wondering what the deeper significance of the number 132 might be. I have reasons for linking it to the Phillips 66 map, but the fact that it is was delivered the same message that included the 340 cipher got me wondering if it might be just as easily be a decryption clue.

Then I remembered an email I got from Mike R in which he showed that Z had provided clues that indicated the correct order of the 408 cipher. I got wondering if the (presumed) 1-3-2 reference might be intended to indicate that the 340 cipher should be split in three and reordered. 

Of course, that doesn't seem right since 340 is not even divisble by 3, and anyway, I suspect Dave O's decryption tools would have blasted through that minor encumbrance.

Then it occurred to me that maybe it was a transposition clue.

One transposition operation that I could immediately think of would be to take the normal order of characters and, thinking of them in groups of 3, swap the second and third positions so that ABC becomes ACB, repeating the pattern for the whole cipher, then apply your regular decryption techniques. (Of course, the total number of characters still isn't evenly divisible by 3, but it may not matter if the last several characters are filler, as appeared to be the case with the 408.)

I can think of one or two other transposition operations that might be suggested by the 1-3-2 / 2-3-1 pattern, but this seemed like the most obvious. Not sure if anything like it has been tried before. If it has, my apologies for wasting your time. Somehow, I get the impression tha this 1-3-2 clue has been given very little attention by Z-researchers, but I suspect that it is an important clue to decipher if there is to be any hope of decrypting the 340 cypher and the Map Code.

If anybody else has ideas about significance of the 1-3-2 clue (or 2-3-1 clue, if you prefer), please post them here.

Thanks,

G

P.S.: BTW, here is a link to my extremely verbose previous thoughts on the subject: <a class="postlink" href="http://anotherdamnzodiackillertheory.wordpress.com/mt-diablo-132-mt-diablo/">http://anotherdamnzodiackillertheory.wo ... mt-diablo/</a>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Original 340 Cipher Article</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2013 21:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Seagull, Subject: Original 340 Cipher Article    Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:25 pm

I managed to snag an original issue of the Nov. 13, 1969 edition of the San Francisco Chronicle with the 340 ciphe...]]></description>
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<b><u>Seagull</u></b>, <i>Subject: Original 340 Cipher Article    Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:25 pm</i>

I managed to snag an original issue of the Nov. 13, 1969 edition of the <i>San Francisco Chronicle</i> with the 340 cipher pictured!

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<b><u>Zamantha</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Original 340 Cipher Article    Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:03 pm</i>

Very Cool, Good snag!  So easy to read!  I really like the way Paul Avery wrote!  

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<b><u>tahoe27</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Original 340 Cipher Article    Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:38 pm</i>

Truly a great find.

I never realized this whole cipher was put out there so early.

Lots of folks were probably trying to figure this one out too!  Also a tool for copy-cats.

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<b><u>morf13</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Original 340 Cipher Article    Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:16 pm</i>

Great find!  :cheers:  Thanks for posting it

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<b><u>bentley</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Original 340 Cipher Article    Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:47 pm</i>

<blockquote>
I never realized this whole cipher was put out there so early.
</blockquote>

They pretty much had to, he threatened to &quot;do his thing&quot; if they didn't.  Boy they made a few predictions in that article that didn't happen..

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<b><u>traveller1st</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Original 340 Cipher Article    Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:05 pm</i>

 :cheers: Great snagging

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<b><u>AK Wilks</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Original 340 Cipher Article    Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:44 pm</i>

<blockquote><blockquote>
I never realized this whole cipher was put out there so early.
</blockquote>

They pretty much had to, he threatened to &quot;do his thing&quot; if they didn't.  Boy they made a few predictions in that article that didn't happen..</blockquote>

&quot;Cops sure clues will snag him&quot;  yeah place that along with &quot;Hitler says this Russian invasion will be a piece of cake&quot; and &quot;Dewey defeats Truman&quot;.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>San Francisco Chronicle Nov. 12, 1969</title>
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                        <description><![CDATA[Seagull, Subject: San Francisco Chronicle Nov. 12, 1969   Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:17 pm

There were three articles about Zodiac in this issue of the newspaper.












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<b><u>Seagull</u></b>, <i>Subject: San Francisco Chronicle Nov. 12, 1969   Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:17 pm</i>

There were three articles about Zodiac in this issue of the newspaper.


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<b><u>smithy</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: San Francisco Chronicle Nov. 12, 1969   Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:37 pm</i>

Thanks Deb - I've only got these in full page pdf's so nice to have them this way.
Yeah, that Luger thing, it's everywhere. Ah, the lie becomes the truth. Amazin' ain't it. 
Mind you I still haven't seen the ballistics report! 
I think perhaps I should send a message to my favourite recent author - he of &quot;The Hunter in the Pies&quot; or whatever it's called. 
Maybe he can confirm it once and for all. Or not! (But I think so, on balance.)]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Daryll Lathers’ solution</title>
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                        <description><![CDATA[doranchak, Subject: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:24 pm

A retired man recently promoted his solution with this ad in the SF Chronicle:



Analysis here:

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<b><u>doranchak</u></b>, <i>Subject: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:24 pm</i>

A retired man recently promoted his solution with this ad in the SF Chronicle:

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Analysis here:

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<b><u>morf13</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:35 pm</i>

Interesting

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<b><u>Zamantha</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:58 pm</i>

<blockquote>A retired man recently promoted his solution with this ad in the SF Chronicle:

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Analysis here:

<a class="mg-bbcode" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com/?p=267">http&#058;//www.zodiackillerciphers.com/?p=267</a>

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Thanks Doranchak, for following through with this. Was totally interested in the out come. Wonder how many phone calls this guy received? 

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<b><u>doranchak</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:07 pm</i>

He told me he had a few calls.  Not many.  I think he had only mailed the solution to a few people.

I wonder how much he paid for the ads.  It could not have been cheap.  Unless physical newspaper ads are cheap these days due to all the online competition.

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<b><u>morf13</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:11 pm</i>

<blockquote>He told me he had a few calls.  Not many.  I think he had only mailed the solution to a few people.

I wonder how much he paid for the ads.  It could not have been cheap.  Unless physical newspaper ads are cheap these days due to all the online competition.</blockquote>

So his motivation was to make a few bucks,huh? That always makes me wary. I found a pic of him in his HS yearbook(of course I needed to make sure he wasnt a match for the Z sketch <img src="/attachments/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /> )and he was voted 'most bashful',and did not look like Z.  No ties to CA at all that I saw

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<b><u>Nin</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:17 pm</i>

Well, at least he tried. Next. 

-Nin

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<b><u>StitchMallone</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:21 pm</i>

Don't think his solution is correct but to say if it was, it would point me to Rick Marshall with all the RKO and movie talk in it.

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<b><u>entropy</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:42 pm</i>

Ugh.

Not a terrible effort I suppose but the solution, like Graysmith's and many others, still makes no sense.  It is merely a hodge-podge of Zodiac related key words even after the anagramming.  Anagramming should be outlawed in the Zodiac world, IMHO.

I'll give this guy a break from criticism for his lack of objectivity regarding his own solution and attempts to make a buck off it and second Nin's comment.  Next!...

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<b><u>smithy</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:26 am</i>

<blockquote>He told me he had a few calls.  Not many.  I think he had only mailed the solution to a few people.
I wonder how much he paid for the ads.  It could not have been cheap.  Unless physical newspaper ads are cheap these days due to all the online competition.</blockquote>
Not too many people care eh? We should take note!
About the cost - previous experience of page rates tell me the cost for a series would comfortably be in the thousands. (I don't know if they publish their page rates - some newspapers like to keep the numbers quiet from the competition). 
A lot of money to pay for your 30 seconds of fame on a couple of web sites, and with a couple of people, hmmm? 

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<b><u>morf13</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:54 am</i>

<blockquote><blockquote>He told me he had a few calls.  Not many.  I think he had only mailed the solution to a few people.
I wonder how much he paid for the ads.  It could not have been cheap.  Unless physical newspaper ads are cheap these days due to all the online competition.</blockquote>
Not too many people care eh? We should take note!
About the cost - previous experience of page rates tell me the cost for a series would comfortably be in the thousands. (I don't know if they publish their page rates - some newspapers like to keep the numbers quiet from the competition). 
A lot of money to pay for your 30 seconds of fame on a couple of web sites, and with a couple of people, hmmm? </blockquote>

Seems like something Z might pull,but this guy has <b>ZERO</b> ties to the SF Bay area,or anyplace in CA ,no way its him.

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<b><u>Nin</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:00 am</i>

What did he retire from? Do we know?

-Nin

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<b><u>doranchak</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:08 am</i>

He was in the army for a while, but I don't know how long.  His father &quot;owned and operated the former Lathers &amp; Pyne Stationery Store, retiring in 1987&quot;, so maybe he took over the biz from his father for a while.



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<b><u>Nin</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:45 am</i>

<blockquote>He was in the army for a while, but I don't know how long.  His father &quot;owned and operated the former Lathers &amp; Pyne Stationery Store, retiring in 1987&quot;, so maybe he took over the biz from his father for a while.

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Was he from Johnstown, PA?

-Nin

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<b><u>Nin</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:49 am</i>

<blockquote><blockquote>He was in the army for a while, but I don't know how long.  His father &quot;owned and operated the former Lathers &amp; Pyne Stationery Store, retiring in 1987&quot;, so maybe he took over the biz from his father for a while.

</blockquote>

Was he from Johnstown, PA?

-Nin</blockquote>

Okay, I see he was. Oh the irony..he was a founding member of the Colinial Little Theater and a manager of the Dorothy Shaye Summer Theater in  Cooperstown. <img src="/attachments/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> 

-Nin

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<b><u>Nin</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:58 am</i>

<blockquote><blockquote>He was in the army for a while, but I don't know how long.  His father &quot;owned and operated the former Lathers &amp; Pyne Stationery Store, retiring in 1987&quot;, so maybe he took over the biz from his father for a while.

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Was he from Johnstown, PA?

-Nin</blockquote>

NY, not PA

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<b><u>Nin</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:58 am</i>

<blockquote>..

Seems like something Z might pull,but this guy has <b>ZERO</b> ties to the SF Bay area,or anyplace in CA ,no way its him.</blockquote>

..Too bad!

Look at one of the business ads in the 1950 Gloversville High School, sorry for the bad quality:

It reads,

'The largest Display of Hallmark Greeting Cards'...etc.

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Daryll's father had 2 brothers. Clayton E. Lathers was one of them. He is deseased now. In his military background (enlisted in '42) it says he was a routeman, in other words he was making deliveries. I am wondering if he was working in the family business (stationary, the business was 80+ years old and pretty successful) and delivering out of state?

-Nin



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<b><u>doranchak</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:16 pm</i>

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About the cost - previous experience of page rates tell me the cost for a series would comfortably be in the thousands. (I don't know if they publish their page rates - some newspapers like to keep the numbers quiet from the competition). 
A lot of money to pay for your 30 seconds of fame on a couple of web sites, and with a couple of people, hmmm? </blockquote>

Kevin Fagan from the Chronicle just told me &quot;it would've cost hundreds of dollars.&quot;  Ouch.  That's a lot of money to shell out for an unsubstantiated solution.


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<b><u>Nin</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:57 pm</i>

Just to have a picture of Daryll Lathers on file, Johnstown High School, 1957:

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<b><u>Nin</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:05 pm</i>

And handwriting:

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<b><u>doranchak</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:06 pm</i>

Gloverville's local news outlet just posted this story about Daryll:

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<b><u>doranchak</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:33 am</i>

A quick followup on Daryll's story appearing as the headline in his local paper:

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<b><u>doranchak</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:57 am</i>

Here's a recent letter I received from him after I mailed him $10 for his troubles, and copies of my article + other examples of problematic solutions:

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Looks like his 15 minutes aren't up yet.  He says he has upcoming interviews on <a class="postlink" href="http://www.ozcatradio.com">http://www.ozcatradio.com</a>  (not sure when) and <a class="postlink" href="http://livescifi.tv/watch-upcoming-paranormal-tv-online/the-zodiac-killer/">http://livescifi.tv/watch-upcoming-para ... ac-killer/</a>  (Feb 28 at 6:30 PM EST).  

Does anyone else know John C. Linn?

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<b><u>morf13</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:04 am</i>

John C. Linn is in his 40's if I remember correctly,definitely not Z if thats what you were thinking  <img src="/attachments/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> 

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<b><u>doranchak</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:09 am</i>

Definitely not thinking that.  Just curious what his credentials are, since he's quoted in the newspaper article as being an amateur investigator who claims to have worked with SF PD years ago.

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<b><u>glurk</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:19 am</i>

His name is John Christoper Linn, age 51, going on 52 and he's not hard to find.  And I found his mother, father, and (now married) daughter.  But I'll leave it at that.

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<b><u>StitchMallone</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:55 pm</i>

Are we sure Linn is not the same poster on here a bit ago that thought Graysmith was Z ? 

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<b><u>Zamantha</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:52 pm</i>

<blockquote>Are we sure Linn is not the same poster on here a bit ago that thought Graysmith was Z ? </blockquote>

Ah, the poster that was all over the place, on every thread. He was into the Comics &quot;Crazy&quot; he said some of the drawings &amp; etc in those comics where by Graysmith.  Not sure if he was for real, or a forum jokester? 

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<b><u>StitchMallone</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:38 pm</i>

<blockquote><blockquote>Are we sure Linn is not the same poster on here a bit ago that thought Graysmith was Z ? </blockquote>

Ah, the poster that was all over the place, on every thread. He was into the Comics &quot;Crazy&quot; he said some of the drawings &amp; etc in those comics where by Graysmith.  Not sure if he was for real, or a forum jokester? </blockquote> Yes the poster from this board was also on the national radio show Coast to Coast am about a month or two before he was a member here saying Graysmith was Zodiac. I'm thinking this Linn guy very well could be him. Also odd how Daryll Lathers is corresponding with him.

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<b><u>StitchMallone</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:45 pm</i>

Another thing I find odd is that Daryll Lathers is sending Zodiac type letter replies back to people and rather immature for a man of his age Imo.Seems like he is really enjoying his 15 minutes of fame he created for himself.

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<b><u>doranchak</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:17 pm</i>

Here's one of the Graysmith-as-suspect threads:

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<b><u>doranchak</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:29 am</i>

Lathers and Linn have a blog and recently posted this to it:

<blockquote>Imagination and intuition

You can not teach a computer how to think like a human thinks. Those of you who are used to the garbage in and garbage out are going to be at a loss. When I solved the 340 code I memorized all the geography of the San Francisco area along with the personalities of all the people in the book of Robert Graysmith's. In all of the eleven sentences in the code all of them can be altered to a certain degree but the general meaning of the sentences can be understood. I never compromized the meaning of the sentences by assigning any letter to any code. Some codes stand for ten or eleven letters. A thread of numerology runs through all of the ciphers. Lathers &amp; Linn.</blockquote>

Summary:  &quot;It's right because we made it up&quot;?


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<b><u>entropy</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:50 am</i>

<blockquote>Lathers and Linn have a blog and recently posted this to it:

<blockquote>Imagination and intuition

You can not teach a computer how to think like a human thinks. Those of you who are used to the garbage in and garbage out are going to be at a loss. When I solved the 340 code I memorized all the geography of the San Francisco area along with the personalities of all the people in the book of Robert Graysmith's. In all of the eleven sentences in the code all of them can be altered to a certain degree but the general meaning of the sentences can be understood. I never compromized the meaning of the sentences by assigning any letter to any code. Some codes stand for ten or eleven letters. A thread of numerology runs through all of the ciphers. Lathers &amp; Linn.</blockquote>

Summary:  &quot;It's right because we made it up&quot;?
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FYI... I've developed a solution to the 340 in which each symbol stands for all 26 letters, which is, by definition, more than twice as good as Mr. Lathers' solution.  I'll send it to you for a nominal fee.

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<b><u>doranchak</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:55 am</i>

Then you can be on TV, too!

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<b><u>morf13</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:07 am</i>

<blockquote><blockquote>Lathers and Linn have a blog and recently posted this to it:

<blockquote>Imagination and intuition

You can not teach a computer how to think like a human thinks. Those of you who are used to the garbage in and garbage out are going to be at a loss. When I solved the 340 code I memorized all the geography of the San Francisco area along with the personalities of all the people in the book of Robert Graysmith's. In all of the eleven sentences in the code all of them can be altered to a certain degree but the general meaning of the sentences can be understood. I never compromized the meaning of the sentences by assigning any letter to any code. Some codes stand for ten or eleven letters. A thread of numerology runs through all of the ciphers. Lathers &amp; Linn.</blockquote>

Summary:  &quot;It's right because we made it up&quot;?
</blockquote>

FYI... I've developed a solution to the 340 in which each symbol stands for all 26 letters, which is, by definition, more than twice as good as Mr. Lather's solution.  I'll send it to you for a nominal fee.</blockquote>

Wait,if each symbol can stand for whatever I want them to stand for,then I  too have solved it. And here I tought the ciphers were not my strong suit  <img src="/attachments/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> 

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<b><u>entropy</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:10 am</i>

<blockquote><blockquote>

FYI... I've developed a solution to the 340 in which each symbol stands for all 26 letters, which is, by definition, more than twice as good as Mr. Lather's solution.  I'll send it to you for a nominal fee.</blockquote>

Wait,if each symbol can stand for whatever I want them to stand for,then I  too have solved it. And here I tought the ciphers were not my strong suit  <img src="/attachments/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> </blockquote>

OK, OK, morf.  We'll go on TV together and split the profits.  Jeez... everyone wants a piece of the action.   <img src="/attachments/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /> 

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<b><u>glurk</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:23 am</i>

Any link to this Linn/Lathers blog available?  I couldn't quickly seem to find it.

-glurk

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<b><u>doranchak</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:28 am</i>

Oops - I meant to include it with the quote:

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<b><u>smithy</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:29 am</i>

By definition, any link to anything at all could be their solution. Try not to be too specific glurk.  <img src="/attachments/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /> 

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<b><u>glurk</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:44 am</i>

<blockquote>Then you can be on TV, too!

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Whoa, wait a minute.  This interview is with Mark Hewitt who distributes a Journal named &quot;Radians and Inches&quot; which I think many of us have dismissed in the past.  But he is brilliant.
Everyone here needs to watch this.  Skip the Lathers part and watch the rest! This man is the most well-informed person on the case that I have ever seen.

Everyone on this board needs to watch this!

-glurk


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<b><u>traveller1st</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:05 am</i>

Watched it about 2 weeks ago. Certainly out of the 3 he was lol. Might watch it again though with this recommendation in mind.

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<b><u>glurk</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:11 am</i>

Trav-

I'm so far behind that my tail comes before my head.  First I've seen of it.  Anyway, I think Mark Hewitt is brilliant even though I have dismissed him in the past.

-glurk

(Maybe it is the Newcastle Brown Ale speaking instead of me, LOL.  I FEEL sober.)

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<b><u>AK Wilks</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:06 am</i>

The Lathers solution has one little problem with it.

That one little problem is that it is absolute and total nonsense from start to finish, total gibberish and extreme anagrams.

Apparently Zodiac was obsessed with the old RKO film studios.  Maybe he was Orson Welles.  Or King Kong.

Doranchak does a good job of exposing this solution as total free form where Lathers just randomly assigns letters to symbols as he needs them, then with the results still mostly gibberish, he uses extreme anagrams to get baby talk sentences, which still don't make much sense.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com/?p=267">http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com/?p=267</a>

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<b><u>smithy</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:19 am</i>

Brilliant, glurk?
Well, he's the most PATIENT person I've ever seen! 

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<b><u>Nin</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:18 pm</i>

<blockquote>Trav-

I'm so far behind that my tail comes before my head.  First I've seen of it.  Anyway, I think Mark Hewitt is brilliant even though I have dismissed him in the past.

-glurk

(Maybe it is the Newcastle Brown Ale speaking instead of me, LOL.  I FEEL sober.)</blockquote>

Can you please elaborate why you changed your mind? 

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-Nin

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<b><u>glurk</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:36 am</i>

Nin-

I haven't changed my mind much, if at all, of the charging of $$ for his journal.  Basically feel the same there.  I was just surprised and
somewhat impressed by his breadth of knowledge on the case and I thought he came across well in the interview.  That's all that I really meant.

-glurk

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<b><u>Nin</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:12 pm</i>

<blockquote>Nin-

I haven't changed my mind much, if at all, of the charging of $$ for his journal.  Basically feel the same there.  I was just surprised and
somewhat impressed by his breadth of knowledge on the case and I thought he came across well in the interview.  That's all that I really meant.

-glurk</blockquote>

Hewitt seems extremely professional in<i> all </i>he is saying and<i> not </i>saying. When he is asked if he ever developed a personal suspect, he
gives a very good response. He says Zodiac has hurt many families and friends besides the victims themselves. Hewitt feels he would act the same way if he was to name a
personal suspect. 
 
Developing suspects solely based on circumstantial evidence is a dangerous endeavor and can lead to mistrust and hardship for the families. It can really interrupt investigative work
if ocurring around an important poi. My addititional thoughts.

-Nin

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<b><u>glurk</u></b>, <i>Subject: Re: Daryll Lathers’ solution   Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:08 am</i>

<blockquote><blockquote>Nin-

I haven't changed my mind much, if at all, of the charging of $$ for his journal.  Basically feel the same there.  I was just surprised and
somewhat impressed by his breadth of knowledge on the case and I thought he came across well in the interview.  That's all that I really meant.

-glurk</blockquote>

Hewitt seems extremely professional in<i> all </i>he is saying and<i> not </i>saying. When he is asked if he ever developed a personal suspect, he
gives a very good response. He says Zodiac has hurt many families and friends besides the victims themselves. Hewitt feels he would act the same way if he was to name a
personal suspect. 
 
Developing suspects solely based on circumstantial evidence is a dangerous endeavor and can lead to mistrust and hardship for the families. It can really interrupt investigative work
if ocurring around an important poi. My addititional thoughts.

-Nin</blockquote>

Nin-

I agree with all of this.  I believe Mr. Hewitt was very responsible in the interview, and I also think naming suspects is a bad idea.  I've always thought so.  And I personally have no POI or any suspect
to name, and never have.  That's why I liked his replies.

I probably should not have been so ebullient about the whole thing, if I was, but sometimes I like to see a video/interview instead of reading all of the time.  What can I say, I like some TV also!  But most
of the time it is someone with an agenda to push, and this was not.  So yeah, I enjoyed watching it.  It was refreshing to see  &quot;just the facts&quot; for a bit.

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