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									12/20/69 &quot;Belli&quot; Letter - Zodiac Discussion Forum				            </title>
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                        <title>Lazy journalism</title>
                        <link>https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/12-20-69-belli-letter/lazy-journalism/</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2021 22:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I’m sure this is just lazy journalism but worth showing as it states two pieces of shirt we included.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I’m sure this is just lazy journalism but worth showing as it states two pieces of shirt we included.

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						                            <category domain="https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/12-20-69-belli-letter/">12/20/69 &quot;Belli&quot; Letter</category>                        <dc:creator>Cragle</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Safe sid go</title>
                        <link>https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/12-20-69-belli-letter/safe-sid-go/</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2020 22:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[As citizen of central European country with English as my second language (and I am far from good enough writer or speaker in English), I consider mistakes which are done by Zodiac as weird....]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[As citizen of central European country with English as my second language (and I am far from good enough writer or speaker in English), I consider mistakes which are done by Zodiac as weird. At first I thought they may have been caused by something like him being dysgraphic and other mistakes seemed more like if he has foreign background.... but as much as I look at them, it seems they are not.

Lets just see spelling mistakes done in this letter and pick the letters up:
&quot;ChristmasS&quot; - S
&quot;extreAm(E)ly&quot; - A (missing E)
&quot;dif(F)icult&quot; - missing F
&quot;ninEth&quot; - E
&quot;pos(S)ibly&quot; - missing S
&quot;victOm&quot; - O instead of I
&quot;drownDing&quot; - D
&quot;trig(G)er&quot; - missing G
&quot;controOl&quot; - O 

Is it possible that he made a mistakes throughout all his letters and that they might be one of &quot;keys&quot;? Note, that mistakes in &quot;Belli&quot; letter are contained mainly in middle part of the letter where he could easily wrote 9th and 10th.... but no, he wrote nineth instead of any other version of the same. Also - word control is written multiple time in thee same letter - only once with &quot;mistake&quot;, other is written correctly.  I also have to think about how he phrases some parts - why he wrote &quot;wont&quot; and then &quot;can not&quot; (which is not consistent and therefore interesting) instead of will not or cant.... Placement of mistakes in letter and which words contain these mistakes means something IMO. &quot;Safe, sid go...&quot;  might have been message for someone.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/12-20-69-belli-letter/">12/20/69 &quot;Belli&quot; Letter</category>                        <dc:creator>ptr1986</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Belli&#039;s law partner Vasilios B Choulos communicated w/Zodiac</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 01:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Never ever heard of this that the atty Vasilios Basil Choulos (1927-2003) communicated with Zodiac:

California City Directories
San Francisco 1970 C:

Choulos Vasilios B 
Belli Ashe Ellison...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Never ever heard of this that the atty Vasilios Basil Choulos (1927-2003) communicated with Zodiac:

California City Directories
San Francisco 1970 C:

Choulos Vasilios B 
Belli Ashe Ellison Choulos &amp; Lieff attys 
722 Montgomery 
981-1849

<a class="postlink" href="https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Vasilios-Basil-Choulos-colorful-S-F-lawyer-2627184.php">https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/ ... 627184.php</a>

<b>Vasilios Basil Choulos -- colorful S.F. lawyer
By Peter Fimrite Published 4:00 am PST, Friday, March 21, 2003</b>



Quote:
Known to most people as &quot;Bill,&quot; he was Melvin Belli's law partner for 18 years until their famously acrimonious split in 1980. They practiced law together at a historic old brick building in North Beach that was decorated like a 19th century brothel, replete with ornate doorways and brass knobs.

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<span style="color:#FF0000"><b><u>Mr. Choulos communicated with the infamous Zodiac killer and attempted to set up a meeting, but the killer apparently stood him up</u></b></span>. His client list during the 1960s was a counterculture kaleidoscope, including Abby Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Lenny Bruce and Timothy Leary.
His greatest passion, however, was protecting the disadvantaged from persecution and corporate irresponsibility.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/12-20-69-belli-letter/">12/20/69 &quot;Belli&quot; Letter</category>                        <dc:creator>Theforeigner</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Handwriting?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 05 Oct 2019 05:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[There&#039;s probably something quite obvious that we&#039;re missing, but this looks nothing at all like Z&#039;s handwriting. Did he have someone write it for him? If so, does that mean someone else knew...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[There's probably something quite obvious that we're missing, but this looks nothing at all like Z's handwriting. Did he have someone write it for him? If so, does that mean someone else knew about his murders? Did someone comepletely fake the letter and pretend (really badly) to be the Zodiac? Just some questions we had.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/12-20-69-belli-letter/">12/20/69 &quot;Belli&quot; Letter</category>                        <dc:creator>HeyThere</dc:creator>
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                        <title>&quot;Please help me I am drownding&quot;</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Z wrote this one sort of completely unrelated to Belli or Christmas. 

Somehow, it seems that Z could have had some flood/rain/boat leakage whatever problems in real life during that time. 
...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Z wrote this one sort of completely unrelated to Belli or Christmas. 

Somehow, it seems that Z could have had some flood/rain/boat leakage whatever problems in real life during that time. 

There was a lot of rain, some flood control discussions, strong surf ect. in eg. Oxnard during that time (including some 'swamp'). Nevertheless I still couldn't figure out (according to newspaper articles) what Z had actually referred to when writing this sentence. Anybody got some idea (based on 'facts')?

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						                            <category domain="https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/12-20-69-belli-letter/">12/20/69 &quot;Belli&quot; Letter</category>                        <dc:creator>Quicktrader</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Belli&#039;s Japanese-themed wedding</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2016 01:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Apologies if it&#039;s already buried in the archives somewhere, but this 1966 article about Belli&#039;s wedding to Pat Montandon is new to me.

I wasn&#039;t aware of a Belli - Japan connection until now...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Apologies if it's already buried in the archives somewhere, but this 1966 article about Belli's wedding to Pat Montandon is new to me.

I wasn't aware of a Belli - Japan connection until now (though admittedly I haven't looked very hard  <img src="/attachments/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt=":mrgreen:" title="Mr. Green" /> ). He also wrote a book about Japan in 1960.<div class="wpforo-attached-file"><a class="wpforo-default-attachment mg-inline-attach" href="/attachments/wpforo/attachments/297/47662=5263-IndianapolisStar_10-13-66.jpg"><i class="fas fa-paperclip"></i> <div class="wpforo-attached-file-img"><img class="mg-inline-attach-img" style="max-width: 320px;max-height: 240px" src="/attachments/wpforo/attachments/297/47662=5263-IndianapolisStar_10-13-66.jpg"></div></a></div>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/12-20-69-belli-letter/">12/20/69 &quot;Belli&quot; Letter</category>                        <dc:creator>Coffee Time</dc:creator>
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                        <title>POI using term &quot;Happy Christmass&quot; and other rare Z wordings</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2015 06:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I recently found that my POI indeed used the term &quot;Happy Christmas&quot; (not with the double s in the ending though)

So those of you of US origin and/or linguists ; HOW rare is it for...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I recently found that my POI indeed used the term &quot;Happy Christmas&quot; (not with the double s in the ending though)

So those of you of US origin and/or linguists ; HOW rare is it for a US born person to use that term? HOW significant is such a find?


Additionally my POI used several of the other rare wordings/terms that Zodiac used in his letters.

I have them on another computer, but will find them tomorrow and post them as well.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/12-20-69-belli-letter/">12/20/69 &quot;Belli&quot; Letter</category>                        <dc:creator>Theforeigner</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Independent Press Telegram</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[QT]]></description>
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                        <title>&quot;...triger mech...&quot;</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I just noticed now that Z uses the term &quot;triger mech&quot;. 

Is this an abbreviation (as used by Z)? There&#039;s no punctuation to indicate it. Is it a common term/short form? Do people sa...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I just noticed now that Z uses the term &quot;triger mech&quot;. 

Is this an abbreviation (as used by Z)? There's no punctuation to indicate it. Is it a common term/short form? Do people say &quot;the gun had a faulty trigger mech, so I bought a new one&quot;?

In short, could it be significant to an extent? Indicating a particular occupation, perhaps - or a particular interest in guns, beyond what you'd call normal? The latter has been discussed many times - was Z a hunter, gun buff, someone who frequented shooting ranges, etc? Could his use of this term (if it IS a term and not just a written abbreviation - albeit without punctuation, as said already) be viewed in this light?

Just speculating.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Melvin Belli &amp; The Sierra Club</title>
                        <link>https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/12-20-69-belli-letter/melvin-belli-the-sierra-club/</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 15:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Looking for connections between Melvin Belli and the Sierra Club, found some:
... ub&amp;f=false
page 464/465
... ub&amp;f=false
search, e.g. p. 
... umni2.html

The name David Brower shows ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Looking for connections between Melvin Belli and the Sierra Club, found some:

<a class="postlink" href="http://books.google.at/books?id=HZVRxRYYduAC&amp;pg=PA465&amp;lpg=PA465&amp;dq=melvin+belli+sierra+club&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=11ZGaJNZMs&amp;sig=CsU1gQg1ZfzEweP415OFeNEO0r8&amp;hl=de&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=Sm5KU_73EsTiywPtqII4&amp;ved=0CGAQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&amp;q=melvin%20belli%20sierra%20club&amp;f=false">http://books.google.at/books?id=HZVRxRY ... ub&amp;f=false</a>
page 464/465

<a class="postlink" href="http://books.google.at/books?id=ZWy4TexzsScC&amp;pg=PA540&amp;lpg=PA540&amp;dq=melvin+belli+sierra+club&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=bfwh20jch2&amp;sig=Zd8ingNE9EVtG5BaHuy9GQlb92c&amp;hl=de&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=Sm5KU_73EsTiywPtqII4&amp;ved=0CGwQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&amp;q=sierra%20club&amp;f=false">http://books.google.at/books?id=ZWy4Tex ... ub&amp;f=false</a>
search, e.g. p. 

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.berkeley.edu/tour/students/famous_alumni2.html">http://www.berkeley.edu/tour/students/f ... umni2.html</a>

The name David Brower shows up twice, wonder if he could provide more details about the Sierra Club and its members..studied at Berkeley, so did Belli.

This one is an article about 26 students who had climbed into trees to avoid them being put down as well as Zodiac having placed 13 calls during Jim Dunbar show, none of them to be traced (can't read it completely)
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/6861074/">http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/6861074/</a>

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