7/8/74 "Red Phantom" Letter Mailed to the SF Chronicle - Zodiac Discussion Forum https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/ Zodiac Killer Discussion Board en-US Thu, 07 May 2026 22:52:42 +0000 wpForo 60 Handwriting? https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/handwriting-2/ Sat, 05 Oct 2019 06:07:52 +0000 7/8/74 "Red Phantom" Letter Mailed to the SF Chronicle HeyThere https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/handwriting-2/ I see patterns everywhere https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/i-see-patterns-everywhere/ Sat, 06 May 2017 17:15:51 +0000 i dont know if the Red Phantom letter is real, but when, i have a solution what do you think? can it be all so simple?]]> 7/8/74 "Red Phantom" Letter Mailed to the SF Chronicle KarlBender https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/i-see-patterns-everywhere/ Masque of the Red Death https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/masque-of-the-red-death/ Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:49:44 +0000 was a teacher of some kind. More here.
]]> 7/8/74 "Red Phantom" Letter Mailed to the SF Chronicle Barry S. https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/masque-of-the-red-death/ Le Spectre Rouge https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/le-spectre-rouge/ Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:06:36 +0000 Le Spectre Rouge
]]> 7/8/74 "Red Phantom" Letter Mailed to the SF Chronicle Barry S. https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/le-spectre-rouge/ The Red Phantom of 1969 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/the-red-phantom-of-1969/ Mon, 03 Aug 2015 14:53:40 +0000 Discovered by Chris Y and first posted here by The Foreigner - the 1962 Count Marco column mentioning a Red Phantom. This shows that Zodiac may have been a Count Marco fan as early as 1962, and if this is Zodiac calling Count Marco a "Red Phantom" in 1962, 12 years before the Zodiac used Red Phantom in the famous letter to Count Marco, it shows that Zodiac may have lived in Chicago in the early 1960's - just like Ted Kaczynski. To my knowledge, Ted is the only major Zodiac suspect who lived in Chicago in the 1960's. AK: Some very interesting observation from Kite, who read this column and recognized the writing as having similarities to both known Zodiac writing and known Ted Kaczynski writing. KITE: That's absolutely unbelievable that RED PHANTOM was used previously in a Count Marco column, if I'm not mistaken. Is the term Red Phantom common enough to be found by chance in two articles like that or should we conclude that Zodiac, in all probability, read this 1962 letter? Did Zodiac write the 1962 letter? Did Zodiac write both the '74 and '62 letter? Did Zodiac write the '74 letter and only read the '62 letter, but was impressed by the reply? Is this not a major avenue of investigation--that Zodiac may have been in the Chicago area in 1962? Note that in this article, the apparent advice of (seeing psychiatrists). And remember also, Zodiac used the word NASTY in the 1/29/74 note ("I will do something NASTY"), while here in 1962, the writer mentions (Nasty face). [The 1962 Count Marco "Red Phantom" writer said "Instead of sneaking up on women..., you should... Zodiac once wrote(....instead of holding road races with their motorcycles to see who could make the most noise, the car drivers should have...). Compare to the 1962 article. KITE: And look at the context of (sneaking up on women like a red phantom) . An even more direct comparison than the one I used from a Zodiac letter above is: Instead of encouraging your city to grow, you should realize how lucky you are to live in a small town. That's the 1970 Minnesota letter signed by Ted Kaczynski. Here in 1962: Instead of sneaking up on women like a red phantom...., you should work openly and usefully..... AK: So the 1962 "Red Phantom", the Zodiac AND Ted Kaczynski all used a formulation, rather dictatorial, pedantic and teacher like, of "INSTEAD OF...YOU SHOULD..." Some interesting observations from unazod posters tomc and kite. Does anyone have any thoughts on what I posted so far? Pro or con? I find it quite interesting that both Zodiac and Kaczynski use the same formulation as the 1962 "red phantom" writer to the Count Marco column, the "instead of...you should" sentence! And I find it interesting that Kaczynski is the only major Zodiac suspect who lived in Chicago in the early 1960's. Maybe nobody else does? ---------------------------------------------------------- TOMC: I went back to the microfilm of the San Francisco Chronicle in June-July, 1974, to check Count Marco's column. Count Marco (Mark Spinelli) wrote a woman's advice column for the paper, which appeared in the "Society" pages Monday through Friday. His columns could be outrageous, and readers had a love/hate relationship with them. I wanted to see what might have triggered the Zodiac to send the "Red Phantom (red with rage)" letter. The letter was postmarked "July 8", a Monday, and sent from San Rafael, CA. The letter reads: "Editor---Put Marco back in the hell-hole from whence it came---he has a serious psychological disorder---always needs to feel superior. I suggest you refer him to a shrink. Meanwhile, cancel the Count Marco column. Since the Count can write anonymously, so can I ------the Red Phantom (red with rage)" Beginning with the June 17th column, for the next 2 1/2 weeks Count Marco's column covered issues ranging from hats to girls as slobs and apple pie. Then, on July 3rd, a Wednesday, his column dealt with psychiatrists and psychologists. It concluded with the lines "You don't need psychiatry. All you need is the Count Marco column." On the 4th and 5th, the column's covered "Is Being Called Sexy Degrading" and "Swinging In Marriage". However, the July 8 column, the date of the postmark, was titled "Why Older Men Have Trouble In Bed"--discussing male impotency in men over 40. (Kaczynski would have been 32 at the time.) Was this the triggering column that so enraged Zodiac, that he mailed the Red Phantom letter? And why? Consider the following items. 1) Kaczynski, when he had his "turning point" in 1966, writes that at the time, he "wanted to kill that psychiatrist and anyone else whom I hate." 2) In the July 3, 1974 column, Count Marco equates his advice with the level of a psychiatrist, only better that a psychiatrist. 3) In his autobiographical journal, Kaczynski states that when he developed his plan to work 2 years (at Berkeley) to save money to move to the wilderness, he would have to keep himself from reading newspapers. He says, if "I read papers regularly I would build up too much tense and frustrated anger against politicians, dictators, businessmen, scientists, communists, and others in the world who were doing things that endangered me or changed the world in ways I resented." Reading papers, in his own words, could produce a rage in him. 4) The June 12, 1970 letter to the Brainerd (MN) Daily Dispatch, shows Kaczynski could respond with a letter to a newspaper after reading some article that had triggered a response in him. 5) Kaczynski was no stranger to sexual frustration. From the 1966 psychiatrist episode, it was sexual frustration that triggered his desire to kill. Did Count Marco, in these 2 columns dealing with psychiatry and impotence, combine to trigger the enraged Zodiac to write the "Red Phantom" letter? An enraged Zodiac because he knew years of sexual frustration, hated psychiatrists, could be easily angered by what he read in a newspaper, and had a history of writing letters to newspapers? I think this provides some decent clues to who the Zodiac was/is, and why the Red Phantom letter was written and sent There was a letter from the Red Phantom printed in the San Francisco Sunday Examiner and Chronicle on January 12, 1969. For anyone who is interested, here is a link to my report about it: Project MK-ZODIAC The Red Phantom of 1969 http://mk-zodiac.com/RedPhantom1969.html]]> 7/8/74 "Red Phantom" Letter Mailed to the SF Chronicle Ricardo https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/the-red-phantom-of-1969/ REAL OR FAKE? https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/real-or-fake/ Tue, 12 May 2015 05:41:40 +0000 7/8/74 "Red Phantom" Letter Mailed to the SF Chronicle BigMajestic https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/real-or-fake/ Red Phantom Comic https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/red-phantom-comic/ Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:00:38 +0000 http://forums.comicbookresources.com/sh ... ed-Phantom Could not find the comic yet, however. And there still was the 'El Espectro Rojo' movie playing in 1974.. QT]]> 7/8/74 "Red Phantom" Letter Mailed to the SF Chronicle Quicktrader https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/red-phantom-comic/ 'RED PHANTOM RIDES AGAIN' https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/red-phantom-rides-again/ Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:56:52 +0000 http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Fb ... ntom&hl=en Called 'The Red Phantom Rides Again', some sort of musical piece performed by school bands if I am not mistaken. There are a couple youtube vids too for it. The music angle caught my attention, since there was the possibility of some Z victims being involved with school bands, etc, and the desktop poem desk source being the music room. Anybody familiar with this? If it's already posted, my apologies. Would be cool to know if any Vallejo area high schools (or Riverside for that matter)performed that song]]> 7/8/74 "Red Phantom" Letter Mailed to the SF Chronicle morf13 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/red-phantom-rides-again/ Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/marco-and-sla-cards-by-same-person-imho/ Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:04:57 +0000 traveller1st, Subject: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:14 pm Yes you heard me. Here's why I think so. I haven't even bothered to put little explanations on it I think it speaks for itself. There's more to come..... ;) traveller1st, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:36 pm More as promised. This is the SLA card envelope compared with the Exorcist letter. Make up your own minds but you can see where this is heading. Still more to come but maybe not tonight . :D morf13, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:54 pm Great work Trav, I agree, all from the same author, all of which being Z traveller1st, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:06 pm Thanks Morf, and yes - all from Z. tahoe27, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:30 pm :silent: :) AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:53 pm Excellent work, thanks for doing it. Zamantha, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:31 am Thanks Trav. Totally appreciate all your hard work & great eyes! Zam * smithy, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:14 am Well, seems like I'll be in the minority on this one then. Oh well. :( glurk, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:34 am smithy- I'll join your minority, if only to make it a bit larger. I don't really have an opinion to share on that "SLA" letter, but on the "Red Phantom" I say NO WAY that it is from Z. Now, I do love the letter itself. The beauty and style of the writing could easily be made into a computer font. The curvature of all of the letters, the C in particular, is just artistically impressive. It makes me wish that I could write like that. It has impressive style. But did Z write it? Oh HELL NO. It's like the complete opposite of everything he ever wrote. -glurk EDIT and P.S. The "Red Phantom" letter has no misspellings. It slants upward from left-to-right. It uses long "dashes" that are not seen in ANY Z letter. It appears to be written gracefully and calmly, no 'manic' in there at all. It has long (and beautiful) descenders on many of the letters, such as the uppercase M, lowercase t and f in particular. morf13, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:45 am For those of you that dont see it, look at the word 'CHRONICLE'. Both writers write it like C HRON IC LE. They space,or break up the word oddly. Thats is an unusual trait. Trav,I have Zero doubt,both letters have come from Zodiac. glurk, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:57 am I totally disagree. -glurk Theforeigner, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:45 am
smithy- I'll join your minority, if only to make it a bit larger. I don't really have an opinion to share on that "SLA" letter, but on the "Red Phantom" I say NO WAY that it is from Z. Now, I do love the letter itself. The beauty and style of the writing could easily be made into a computer font. The curvature of all of the letters, the C in particular, is just artistically impressive. It makes me wish that I could write like that. It has impressive style. But did Z write it? Oh HELL NO. It's like the complete opposite of everything he ever wrote. -glurk EDIT and P.S. The "Red Phantom" letter has no misspellings. It slants upward from left-to-right. It uses long "dashes" that are not seen in ANY Z letter. It appears to be written gracefully and calmly, no 'manic' in there at all. It has long (and beautiful) descenders on many of the letters, such as the uppercase M, lowercase t and f in particular.
Glurk what do you think of the handwriting style Zodiac used in this July 31, 1969 cipher? IMO this is another example of Zodiac's ability to write neet and perfect letters. Thise letters are nothing like the shabby handwriting he used in most of his letters. IMO this point to that Zodiac could perform any kind of handwriting he wanted to, and that the shabby handwriting style, he mostly used, was a handwriting he invented for his Zodiac persona, and was not at all his real handwriting, FAR from IMO. Remember how many different handwriting styles he actually used through the years, several VERY different once. Zodiac was a master of diguise, in SOOOOOO many ways IMO traveller1st, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:48 am Ahhhhhh "constructed" criticism. See what I did there? Yes, the Marco letter doesn't look like Zodiac, on the surface that is, for me anyway. Seeing the envelopes together just seals it for me though because there are other factors to it that make me believe it's genuine. I will show them in due course. If you're excluding it on its "fanciness" of style I wouldn't. Look at the address on the LA Times letter, it for me shows a good strong hint as to the ability to produce a more refined text. It's funny that it's the Marco one that people seem to highlight as a total no-no but actually, for me, it's the SLA letter that looks the least like zodiac, envelope not withstanding. The Marco and SLA letters together look nothing like each other yet the envelopes are virtually identical. As for the style of the Marco, it's exactly that, a style. That's why the extended descenders and flourishes, that's why it isn't 'manic' but 'calm', time was taken to do it. It's crafted, I doubt many people, if any, actually write like that. If it can be shown that this is Zodiac, and I personally think it's important to know, then we are looking at a different beast regarding penmanship. Also, it's not as if he hasn't shown hints at style changing in the past and actually subtly applies it right from the beginning between the first 3 letters sent and the 4 letter sent. At the very least I hope to show some of the elements that made these considered as Z letters in the first place. Nice graphic BTW Glurk. For about 1.25 secs I thought "How the hell did he make a font from ..... oh wait, cut n paste DUH!" :D traveller1st, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:00 am
Well, seems like I'll be in the minority on this one then. Oh well. :(
This is all your fault btw. "Don't forget the envelopes", you said, "they are almost as important as the letters if not more-so" you said, after I'd maded the purdy gwafik for the letters. Well I didn't forget, I did the envelope graphic but those words still haunted me and so, here we are. :P "Don't forget the envelopes" Welsh Chappie, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:10 am
Yes you heard me. Here's why I think so. I haven't even bothered to put little explanations on it I think it speaks for itself. There's more to come..... ;)
I know, due to who is writing this, it maybe considered wrong and inappropriate to say this, but i actually find his 'Red Pantom' letter highly amusing due to its clear and deliberate irony. "Put Marco back in the hell hole from whence it came____He has a serious psycological disorder" Coming from Zodiac, that is irony at its best! "Always needs to feel superior" Again, this from a man who demands and craves he get the front page, the irony is amusing (as i believe he intends it to be) "I suggest you refer him to a shrink" This i can't help but laugh at. The writer, Zodiac, knows full well that society would say that if theres anyone who would benefit from a shrink, its him, and that he is the last person in the world to be in a position to point out someone else's need for mental help. (Again, this is obviously done by the writer with 'tongue in cheek' humour) They say the Brits love irony, and i think that is true, so if it's deemed by some as not appropriate to find Zodiac's sense of humour so appealing, then i will simply claim that i have a predisposition to it and cannot help it due to my nationality :-) morf13, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:41 am I think Trav has shown that there are indeed some things in teh writing that match Z,or are very close. When you add that to the trained document examiner that concluded it was from Z, then that is good enough for me onewhoknows, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:46 pm Dear Trav Are you able to get ahold of digital document analysis software? Otherwise we are looking with our eyes and opinions, where as the pros look at the slant of the writing, where the pen picks up and lets down on the paper, etc. I am with Smithy Red Phantom and SLA are not Zodiac morf13, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:53 pm
Dear Trav Are you able to get ahold of digital document analysis software? Otherwise we are looking with our eyes and opinions, where as the pros look at the slant of the writing, where the pen picks up and lets down on the paper, etc. I am with Smithy Red Phantom and SLA are not Zodiac
They look at lots of things,spacing, number of strokes,angles,formation...etc. mike_r, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:21 pm Hi- I wonder why that block of code is labeled "Chronicle" when it is the one that was supposedly sent to the Examiner. I wonder if RG got his blocks mixed up. Mike Nachtsider, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:59 pm
I know, due to who is writing this, it maybe considered wrong and inappropriate to say this, but i actually find his 'Red Pantom' letter highly amusing due to its clear and deliberate irony. "Put Marco back in the hell hole from whence it came____He has a serious psycological disorder" Coming from Zodiac, that is irony at its best! "Always needs to feel superior" Again, this from a man who demands and craves he get the front page, the irony is amusing (as i believe he intends it to be) "I suggest you refer him to a shrink" This i can't help but laugh at. The writer, Zodiac, knows full well that society would say that if theres anyone who would benefit from a shrink, its him, and that he is the last person in the world to be in a position to point out someone else's need for mental help. (Again, this is obviously done by the writer with 'tongue in cheek' humour) They say the Brits love irony, and i think that is true, so if it's deemed by some as not appropriate to find Zodiac's sense of humour so appealing, then i will simply claim that i have a predisposition to it and cannot help it due to my nationality :-)
I don't necessarily think these statements were ironic. They could have come from a changed Zodiac, his homicidal tendencies quelled by time on the psychiatrist's couch. One of my pet theories on why Zodiac quit was that he finally found a friend or friends to give him the attention he needed, or got psychiatric help. Theforeigner, Subject: Re: Marco and SLA cards by same person IMHO Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:03 pm
I know, due to who is writing this, it maybe considered wrong and inappropriate to say this, but i actually find his 'Red Pantom' letter highly amusing due to its clear and deliberate irony. "Put Marco back in the hell hole from whence it came____He has a serious psycological disorder" Coming from Zodiac, that is irony at its best! "Always needs to feel superior" Again, this from a man who demands and craves he get the front page, the irony is amusing (as i believe he intends it to be) "I suggest you refer him to a shrink" This i can't help but laugh at. The writer, Zodiac, knows full well that society would say that if theres anyone who would benefit from a shrink, its him, and that he is the last person in the world to be in a position to point out someone else's need for mental help. (Again, this is obviously done by the writer with 'tongue in cheek' humour) They say the Brits love irony, and i think that is true, so if it's deemed by some as not appropriate to find Zodiac's sense of humour so appealing, then i will simply claim that i have a predisposition to it and cannot help it due to my nationality :-)
I don't necessarily think these statements were ironic. They could have come from a changed Zodiac, his homicidal tendencies quelled by time on the psychiatrist's couch. One of my pet theories on why Zodiac quit was that he finally found a friend or friends to give him the attention he needed, or got psychiatric help.
I think you are BOTH right, it was IMO a combination.]]> 7/8/74 "Red Phantom" Letter Mailed to the SF Chronicle traveller1st https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/marco-and-sla-cards-by-same-person-imho/ ????Red Phantom envelope https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/red-phantom-envelope/ Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:02:50 +0000 QueenOfClews, Subject: ????Red Phantom envelope Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:51 pm I was looking through the photos of the various envelopes used by Z and noticed some visible writing through one of the envelopes. I assumed it was the envelope used to send the Red Phantom letter, but it appears that the Red Phantom letter was sent in a different envelope. Has this already been discussed? If so, I apologize. Here is the envelope in question-(the words are fairly clear, and it is the same text as the RP letter) http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/17/97/35/79/slaenv11.png Here is the original image- and a photo of the envelope that has been identified as having accompanied the Red Phantom letter. Anyone have any thoughts about this? Quicktrader, Subject: Well.. Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:11 pm ...the text appears to be the July 8th 1974 letter as words appear to be similar ('refer', 'Count', 'psychological' etc.). Still wondering why there are two envelopes.. QT tahoe27, Subject: Re: ????Red Phantom envelope Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:05 pm I believe that top envelope is what the SLA letter came in. Theforeigner, Subject: Re: ????Red Phantom envelope Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:51 pm No doubt that IS the Feb 14, 1974 SLA letter envelope. The SLA letter was sent aprox 5 months prior to the Count Marco letter. SO... IF this is really a fact, that there are traces of the Count Marco letter writing on the SLA enevlope then Zodiac apparently had written that CM letter 5 months in advance of him sending it! It would also establish that the SLA and the CM letter was produced by the same person. And due to that the handwriting of address on the SLA envelope indeed is a match for the Zodiac handwriting, well it seems like it´s kind of safe to say that Zodiac did write the SLA, the CM letters, which some Z reseachers have doubted. It would also IMO establish that Zodiac indeed was playing/enjoyning using VERY different handwriting styles. This is VERY interesting IMO!!! QueenOfClews May I ask you; where did you get the copy of the envelope in question? I mean it had to be a high reselution copy of that envelope to do what you did, and I havent seen any such highreselution copy of that envelope anywere. So could you please tell us some more details on how you found this envelope and what technic you used to get thise traces of the CB writing to appear on the envelope? thanks in advance. QueenOfClews, Subject: Re: ????Red Phantom envelope Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:44 pm I am fairly certain this was the copy I saved from T.V.'s website. I was looking through all the different images of the envelopes, most of which have really terrible resolution and color. This one was not as nice as some of the other scans, but I thought I detected some kind of writing visible. To enhance the image I just increased the saturation levels of the image, and then adjusted the brightness and contrast. I had to flip the image horizontally to read the text. If that hadn't worked I would have probably applied a bas relief effect, or embossing effect to the image. I am also curious why the envelope has not been postmarked. I am puzzling over the possible scenarios to explain the presence of the writing, but I haven't come up with anything yet. tahoe27, Subject: Re: ????Red Phantom envelope Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:22 pm
No doubt that IS the Feb 14, 1974 SLA letter envelope. The SLA letter was sent aprox 5 months prior to the Count Marco letter. SO... IF this is really a fact, that there are traces of the Count Marco letter writing on the SLA enevlope then Zodiac apparently had written that CM letter 5 months in advance of him sending it! It would also establish that the SLA and the CM letter was produced by the same person. And due to that the handwriting of address on the SLA envelope indeed is a match for the Zodiac handwriting, well it seems like it´s kind of safe to say that Zodiac did write the SLA, the CM letters, which some Z reseachers have doubted. It would also IMO establish that Zodiac indeed was playing/enjoyning using VERY different handwriting styles.
I think this is just something funky happening when copying and enhancing, etc. I still doubt Zodiac wrote either of those letters, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone from the SLA did. We also have the possibility the Red Phantom letter is one that didn't pass the saliva/dna deal.]]> 7/8/74 "Red Phantom" Letter Mailed to the SF Chronicle QueenOfClews https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/7-8-74-red-phantom-letter-mailed-to-the-sf-chronicle/red-phantom-envelope/