The Car Door - Cecelia Shepard & Bryan Hartnell 9/27/69 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/ Zodiac Killer Discussion Board en-US Thu, 18 Jun 2026 01:51:26 +0000 wpForo 60 Re: The Car Door https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-56069 Sun, 03 Dec 2017 05:25:33 +0000 Cecelia Shepard & Bryan Hartnell 9/27/69 Blind Bat https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-56069 Re: The Car Door https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-56068 Sun, 03 Dec 2017 05:15:00 +0000 Curious... Would the writing on the car door be enough to convict Zodiac had he been caught for one of the other Zodiac murders? How admissible is handwriting in court? I know for things like forgery, etc., it is quite common...but to prove murder? And let's say the man's shoe print size didn't match up to the prints found. What then? Not unless he confessed hence LE has his finger prints?]]> Cecelia Shepard & Bryan Hartnell 9/27/69 Blind Bat https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-56068 Re: The Car Door https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43377 Fri, 13 Nov 2015 22:04:40 +0000 Cecelia Shepard & Bryan Hartnell 9/27/69 Norse https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43377 Re: The Car Door https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43376 Fri, 13 Nov 2015 21:27:15 +0000
The time would be a good piece of evidence for a letter writer to supply. Much better than the rather generic "by knife", and I'm surprised that is what they held back instead.
Yes, that's a good point. "By knife" is a bit of a puzzle in many ways. Odd thing to write, arguably - odd thing to hold back for the cops too, arguably, when the much more particular and individual "6:30" was made public straight away. Anyway, on the topic of the time: If the latter indicates the time of writing, Z seems to have taken his sweet time driving from LB to the Napa phone booth (there is an interval of something like 20 or 25 missing, going by how long it should have taken him to cover the distance in question). If - which is the other possibility - the time indicates the time of the actual attack, we can shave a good part off that interval (it would have taken him some time - I don't have the estimate before me - to get back up to the road from the crime scene). And then there's a third possibility which could account for the missing interval: He was parked somewhere else, further down the road, meaning that he had to move from BH's car to his own on foot after having completed the writing. RE: Missing Time Maybe Z stashed his knife & gun, and changed his clothes, then went out to make the call.]]> Cecelia Shepard & Bryan Hartnell 9/27/69 morf13 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43376 Re: The Car Door https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43333 Fri, 13 Nov 2015 02:43:34 +0000 The time would be a good piece of evidence for a letter writer to supply. Much better than the rather generic "by knife", and I'm surprised that is what they held back instead. Yes, that's a good point. "By knife" is a bit of a puzzle in many ways. Odd thing to write, arguably - odd thing to hold back for the cops too, arguably, when the much more particular and individual "6:30" was made public straight away. Anyway, on the topic of the time: If the latter indicates the time of writing, Z seems to have taken his sweet time driving from LB to the Napa phone booth (there is an interval of something like 20 or 25 missing, going by how long it should have taken him to cover the distance in question). If - which is the other possibility - the time indicates the time of the actual attack, we can shave a good part off that interval (it would have taken him some time - I don't have the estimate before me - to get back up to the road from the crime scene). And then there's a third possibility which could account for the missing interval: He was parked somewhere else, further down the road, meaning that he had to move from BH's car to his own on foot after having completed the writing.]]> Cecelia Shepard & Bryan Hartnell 9/27/69 Norse https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43333 Re: The Car Door https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43331 Fri, 13 Nov 2015 01:41:02 +0000 Cecelia Shepard & Bryan Hartnell 9/27/69 duckking2001 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43331 Re: The Car Door https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43291 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:49:43 +0000 And the above poster said the call came in at 7:13? I thought it was 7:40. Is 7:13 correct? Two different calls: Z himself called the police at 7:40, but they were informed about the attack (after Fong had contacted the park people) at 7:13.]]> Cecelia Shepard & Bryan Hartnell 9/27/69 Norse https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43291 Re: The Car Door https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43290 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:46:47 +0000 Cecelia Shepard & Bryan Hartnell 9/27/69 Tahoe27 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43290 Re: The Car Door https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43289 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:29:41 +0000 Cecelia Shepard & Bryan Hartnell 9/27/69 vasa croe https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43289 Re: The Car Door https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43287 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:24:52 +0000 Cecelia Shepard & Bryan Hartnell 9/27/69 Norse https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cecelia-shepard-bryan-hartnell-9-27-69/the-car-door/paged/10/#post-43287