https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/ Zodiac Killer Discussion Board en-US Wed, 13 May 2026 19:36:47 +0000 wpForo 60 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/rh-ramona-high/ Thu, 18 Feb 2021 08:47:21 +0000 Cheri Jo Bates Case Desktop Poem writing BlemBlem https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/rh-ramona-high/ https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/desktop-poem-signature-arthur-leigh-allen/ Tue, 24 Nov 2020 00:18:22 +0000 last characters of his names, not the first. One obvious hit for "r.h." would be Arthu Leig Allen, the name of one of the main suspects. After I got this idea I was thinking: What if there also was an extra "n" hidden in the poem somewhere. I would of course make a stronger case if I had one character from each of Allen's 3 names (r.h.n.) So I went back to study the poem some more and I found something interesting. Near the end of the poem where it says "...she won't die..." right above the apostrophe I found it: An extra "n"!

In the whole poem I can't find any other extra added character, so this "n" is totally unique. In other words there is only 3 characters that is not part of the poem itself: r.h.n From this I suggest The Zodiac's real name was: Arthu Leig Alle

So why would the Zodiac leave strong hints to his real name? Full of hubris The Zodiac liked to give hints and take unnecessary chances. He liked to tease the police. Under his alias, the "concerned citizen" he states in 1969: "Working puzzles criptograms and word puzzles is one of my pleasures." In my opinion he liked to leave clues to his identity, but only in a camouflaged way so the chance of getting caught would be low (in fact he didn't). And I guess the "r.h.n" evidence would never be enough to get him convicted in a trial. Around 1971 after the Police had circled him in, he would probably not give out such strong clues to his real name. But in 1966 he could. And maybe he had not created "the Zodiac role" yet to hide behind, and used parts of his own name instead. I think he wrote all 3 characters r.h.n in lowercase deliberately, and leaves a clue that they were not initials (first characters of the names), but still a clues to his name. Ps 1. I really don't want to steal somenone else's ideas or post them as my own. I know others on the internet have noticed the extra "n", and also the idea that it may not be initials. But to my knowledge nobody else have suggested this "r.h.n" idea before. Please let me know if this is not correct. PS 2. Please apologize my bad English, since it is not my native language.]]> Cheri Jo Bates Case Desktop Poem writing MaxT https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/desktop-poem-signature-arthur-leigh-allen/ https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/possible-poem-inspiration/ Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:41:20 +0000 Cheri Jo Bates Case Desktop Poem writing Cragle https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/possible-poem-inspiration/ https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/detailed-infi-re-poi/ Tue, 10 Mar 2020 03:27:00 +0000 Cheri Jo Bates Case Desktop Poem writing Dag MacLugh https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/detailed-infi-re-poi/ https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/amateur-literary-analysis/ Fri, 14 Feb 2020 13:50:49 +0000 Cheri Jo Bates Case Desktop Poem writing Cragle https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/amateur-literary-analysis/ https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/dave-oranchaks-throw-the-book-at-him/ Mon, 01 Apr 2019 23:40:29 +0000 http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com/?p=144 Dave wrote "So, only one piece of text, from a vast collection of eleven billion pieces of text, fit into this chunk of cipher text. A one in eleven billion chance seems to suggest some significance. But don’t be fooled by this. Just because this rare event occurred, doesn’t mean it is anything more than a simple coincidence. If we didn’t already know the real solution to the 408, how do we know that this chunk of old and obscure text isn’t the correct solution?" When the rest of the 408 was decoded using Clarendon's inserted text it was pure gibberish. Dave rightly stated that coincidences happen. But what I would like to know, bearing in mind the author of the 408 cipher may have had access to the Riverside library, is how many coincidences do we need before it's not a coincidence anymore. I looked at the preceding communication to the 408 cipher, that had any meaningful value. Therefore looked at the Riverside Desktop Poem. Its title was "sick of living/unwilling to die." So, I looked through more publications by Edward Hyde, Earl of Clarendon and found another of Edward Hyde's quotes: “They who are most weary of life, and yet are most unwilling to die, are such who have lived to no purpose, — who have rather breathed than lived.” http://izquotes.com/quote/385232 For comparison "weary of life, unwilling to die" to "sick of living, unwilling to die." Although not identical, the Zodiac Killer may have gone on memory while titling the poem, and this reading material may have been available at the library. But the broader question is - how many coincidences eliminate doubt? Edward Hyde, Earl of Clarendon was also an avid user of ciphers as revealed here in literary manuscripts; "Naturally a substantial portion of Clarendon's surviving manuscripts comprises his personal correspondence — both letters received by him from numerous correspondents and his own letters, written or signed by him, whether drafts, retained copies, or the letters actually sent. Among many notable examples are his letters written in August 1646 to William, Lord Widdrington, and to Sir John Berkeley, announcing the beginnings of his History of the Rebellion, and the letter he wrote on 12 November 1646, to Sir Edward Nicholas, describing his plan for the work and stating that he had already completed sixty sheets of it. Some of his letters, particularly those dating from the Civil War period, are wholly or partly in cipher or make use of pseudonyms in both salutations and signatures. The codes to sixteen such ciphers used by the Royalists are written out in Bodleian, MS Clarendon 94, and see also British Library," St Augustine of Hippo (13 November 354 - 28 August 430), was a Roman African, Christian theologian, whose writings influenced the development of Western Christianity and Western Philosophy. He wrote ""I do not know whether I would have been willing to die for him in the way that Orestes and Pylades, if the story is true, were willing to die together for each other. And yet a strange feeling had grown in me, and it was very different from theirs; I was sick and tired of living but I was too afraid to die." St Augustine of Hippo wrote the Confessions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_(Augustine)]]> Cheri Jo Bates Case Desktop Poem writing Richard Grinell https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/dave-oranchaks-throw-the-book-at-him/ https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/1964-yearbook/ Mon, 03 Oct 2016 00:29:09 +0000 I am a stupid ugly gwib My brain is small, my head is big I'm cursed by every living man For invading Ramona's sacred land I feed on rats instead of bread I hate myself, I wish I was dead IF the poem was written by Z, the question comes up what a 'gwib' actually is. It may be assumed that it could be some sort of stroller, vagrant, gnome or something. In Welsh language, which differs from English in many words, some words start with 'gwib'. It appears as if it is still used today, e.g. as 'Gwib y Ddraig" ('gnomes and dragons'), although rarely. It appears as if it is a short form of 'gwibiad': http://www.anglesey.gov.uk/Journals/201 ... h-2013.pdf https://books.google.at/books?id=FgJEAA ... ib&f=false https://books.google.at/books?id=bxMUAA ... ad&f=false QT]]> Cheri Jo Bates Case Desktop Poem writing Quicktrader https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/1964-yearbook/ https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/what-if-its-rn/ Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:05:30 +0000

-marie]]> Cheri Jo Bates Case Desktop Poem writing marie https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/what-if-its-rn/ https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/unwilling-to-die-origins-dave-oranchak-article/ Sat, 02 Jul 2016 17:16:15 +0000 http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com/?p=144 featuring Edward, Earl of Clarendon, lord high chancellor of England, regarding the 408 Cipher and the cipher text. I came across this article by chance as I was researching the origin of the Riverside Desktop Poem title 'Sick of living/unwilling to die.' Dave Oranchak "So, only one piece of text, from a vast collection of eleven billion pieces of text, fit into this chunk of cipher text. A one in eleven billion chance seems to suggest some significance. But don’t be fooled by this. Just because this rare event occurred, doesn’t mean it is anything more than a simple coincidence. If we didn’t already know the real solution to the 408, how do we know that this chunk of old and obscure text isn’t the correct solution? " However I did find an important quote from Edward, Earl of Clarendon featuring 'weary of life/unwilling to die. "Naturally a substantial portion of Clarendon's surviving manuscripts comprises his personal correspondence — both letters received by him from numerous correspondents and his own letters, written or signed by him, whether drafts, retained copies, or the letters actually sent. Among many notable examples are his letters written in August 1646 to William, Lord Widdrington, and to Sir John Berkeley, announcing the beginnings of his History of the Rebellion (Bodleian, MS Clarendon 28, ff. 165r, 178r-9r), and the letter he wrote on 12 November 1646, to Sir Edward Nicholas, describing his plan for the work and stating that he had already completed sixty sheets of it (Bodleian, MS Clarendon 29, ff. 4r-6r). Some of his letters, particularly those dating from the Civil War period, are wholly or partly in cipher or make use of pseudonyms in both salutations and signatures. The codes to sixteen such ciphers used by the Royalists are written out in Bodleian, MS Clarendon 94, and see also British Library, Egerton MS 2550, ff. 42r, 74r." http://www.celm-ms.org.uk/introductions ... dHyde.html http://cryptiana.web.fc2.com/code/clarendon.htm 1661-1674: The Right Honourable The First Earl of Clarendon Kt PC]]> Cheri Jo Bates Case Desktop Poem writing Anonymous https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/unwilling-to-die-origins-dave-oranchak-article/ https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/richard-helms-perfect-reasoning/ Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:09:00 +0000 Cheri Jo Bates Case Desktop Poem writing marie https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/cheri-jo-bates-case-desktop-poem-writing/richard-helms-perfect-reasoning/