Tuolumne & Springs Phone Call - Darlene Ferrin & Mike Mageau 7/4/69

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Soze — Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:11:40 +0000

The Zodiac, in December of 1968, kills Betty Lou Jensen and David A. Faraday. Nearly 7 months pass without a word from the person who would later be known as the Zodiac. On July 4th, 1969 the Zodiac shoots Darlene Ferrin and Mike Mageau. He leaves the site and goes to a payphone at Springs and Tuolumne to phone police. The call is reported as possibly rehearsed or read from a script. Obviously pre planned. Not out of the realm of possibilities given the Paul Stine communication. If he rehearsed or planned the script then when did he do this and, more importantly, where? I suppose what I am getting at here is this:

What if the Zodiac was someone to the southeast of the first crime scene at Lake Herman Road? When thinking about the next crime scene at Blue Rock Springs, the location to this site from the Lake Herman Crime scene, would be to the east. The distance from the intersection of Columbus Parkway and Lake Herman Road to Blue Rock Springs is approximately 1 mile. The Zodiac would have 1. been trying to connect the two crimes via the rehearsed message or 2. made a booboo.

Soze

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TomVoigt — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 03:59:55 +0000

"Cars with menacing white youths cruised the Negro neighborhoods..." Richard Gaikowski -- 1968

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Richard Grinell — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 03:09:44 +0000

I did previously bring this up but my horror is was still very prevalent.

"The turning point came when Stokely Carmichael coined the phrase black power at a 1966 rally in Mississippi. Until then, Negro was how most black Americans described themselves. But in Carmichael's speeches and in his landmark 1967 book, Black Power: The Politics of Liberation in America, he persuasively argued that the term implied black inferiority. Among black activists, Negro soon became shorthand for a member of the establishment. Prominent black publications like Ebony switched from Negro to black at the end of the decade, and the masses soon followed. According to a 1968 Newsweek poll, more than two-thirds of black Americans still preferred Negro, but black had become the majority preference by 1974. Both the Associated Press and the New York Times abandoned Negro in the 1970s, and by the mid-1980s, even the most hidebound institutions, like the U.S. Supreme Court, had largely stopped using Negro". https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcr ... ctober.htm

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IthinkIknow — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 02:54:59 +0000

Any picture of this person?

Which person?

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Cragle — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 23:52:35 +0000

I did previously bring this up but my horror is was still very prevalent.

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Vegas Lawyer — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 23:11:53 +0000

Maybe somebody DOES know something about this already. That's why I bring it up. Is this shabbily dressed negro generally considered real or fictitious? I'm sure somebody has asked the pertinent detectives about this, but I don't know what answer they got.
I don't think it's ever been reported that a shabbily dressed black man saw Z at the phonebooth. So, Z either mentioned it and it was true, or he made it up. Why would he volunteer that info? It could only lead to a witness against himself,so personally, I think he likely made it up. If you believe Fouke, he definitely made up the part about being stopped by Fouke & Zelms after the Stine killing.

One thing that I have wondered is how prevalent the word "negro" was in 1969. It was commonly used in the 40s and 50s. I was born in the late 70s, so word wasn't used to describe African Americans in polite conversation in my lifetime. It be a clue to Zodiac's age. Did people in their 20s regularly refer to black people as "negros" in 1969? It could date Zodiac to his late 30s or early 40s.

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Vegas Lawyer — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 23:04:28 +0000

For what it's worth, I also think Z lived within a pretty close proximity to that Springs & Tuolumne phonebooth. I think he likely went home, parked his car, stashed his guns, etc. Then walked to the phonebooth, I think it's possible he lived within a 1/4 mile of that phonebooth

If you're right about that, and you may be, then it is also very likely that he at least knew of Darlene Ferrin. She was a pretty young, outgoing waitress at a popular diner. He undoubtedly had been served by her at some point if he ever dined at her restaurant. He might have known Mageau, too. I still don't think he specifically targeted either, though. It was probably pure coincidence that he happened upon them in BRS.

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drew — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 06:34:24 +0000

Is there a 1970 Vallejo phonebook that is accessible online?

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Claypooles — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 18:19:03 +0000

Any picture of this person?

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Theforeigner — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 16:52:07 +0000

It is increasingly difficult to obtain information on events that occurred 50+ years ago. I am at a standstill on finding corroborating evidence for this, but my theory is: Z worked at Joe's Union Service. He locked up at closing and wandered around town for a while. I suspect he was using fireworks to disguise the sound of his gunshots, in the event he stumbled upon good victims. After the shooting, he returned to Joe's and put his vehicle inside the repair bay so as to disguise that it was present. He stayed inside the store and waited things out. Then he made the phone call and went back into the store to wait some more. Two or three hours later, when the coast was clearer, he opened up the repair bay and drove home, just before the morning shift arrived. I think everything Z ever wrote was misdirection. The "shabbily dressed Negro" was a ploy to direct attention away from the fact that there was no vehicle nearby that could've plausibly belonged to Z. He needed law enforcement not to consider that Z lived/worked near that phone booth. The vehicle reference in the letter seems to have worked perfectly for the first 40 or 45 years. Does anybody have suggestions about how to discover information about Joe's Union Service? I'm particularly interested in hours of operation and names of employees.

James Silvia, aka Manuel James Silvia, owned the gas station at 700 Tuolumne St. The name of the gas station in the 1969 Vallejo, California, City Directory, 1968-1969 was : Silvia's union Service gas sta In the same phonebook/year 1969 their privat address was: M James (Charlotte M) (Silvia's Union serv) H1001 Valle Vista Av Vallejo Why it has always been called Joe's gas station I have no idea. They moved from Vallejo to Grant Pass, Oregon 1971. Here is his 1996 obit: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/117240459 Manuel James Silvia BIRTH 18 Jun 1903 Raynham, Bristol County, Massachusetts, USA DEATH 9 Oct 1996 (aged 93) Grants Pass, Josephine County, Oregon, USA BURIAL Hawthorne Memorial Gardens Grants Pass, Josephine County, Oregon, USA Manuel James Silvia, 93, of Grants Pass died Wednesday, Oct. 9, 1996, at Royale Gardens Health and Rehabilitation Center. Services will be at 11 a.m. Friday, at Hawthorne Memorial Gardens. Chapel of the Valley Funeral Home is in charge of arrangements. He was born June 18, 1903, in Raynham, Mass. In Aug. 1947, in Vallejo, Calif., he married the former Charlotte Grosso, who died Feb. 3, 1996. He owned a automobile service station in Vallejo until his retirement. He moved to Grants Pass in 1971. Survivors include a daughter, Lynn Cole of Eugene; three sisters, Mary Foley, Emily Dube and Dena Ennes, all of Raynham, Mass.; two grandchildren; and one great-grandchild. Family Members Spouse Photo Charlotte Marie Grosso Silvia 1911–1996 (m. 1947) And here link to his wife Charlotte Marie Grosso Silvia 1911–1996 (m. 1947) obit, nee name Grosso : https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/117 ... rie-silvia