Fred Manalli (from old board) - Fred Manalli https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/ Zodiac Killer Discussion Board en-US Wed, 13 May 2026 20:01:52 +0000 wpForo 60 Re: Fred Manalli (from old board) https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/8/#post-52855 Thu, 25 May 2017 09:56:12 +0000
Remember to cross check all your suspects and where they went to school because the Zodiac Killer said he killed the high school girl that wouldn't go out with him. So she'll be listed as a missing person.
We don't know that Zodiac wrote the letter you are referring to(I personally think he did)and he didn't write that he killed a girl he asked out, he said "maybe it will be" and he mentioned Cheri Bates was for the "brushoffs over the past years". Ya I know I remembered wrong, I just seen his exact wording after I posted. What do you think of these clues I found. I got three new clews for you before the cipher begins. The 'Button Letter' Phillips map that is actually a template In 'The Button Letter' 'The', 'Map', 'You', 'Fall' are all capitalized to refer to the Phillips 66 'map drop' in my new Border and Map Fold Clues of The Phillips '66. The Zodiac symbol can be interchangeable on both borders and top and bottom of the fold. (I've only used the top fold for now)Which give us 3 of 4 hits in a State Park and a mile away by Daly City and Colma in the other hit. https://youtu.be/N9OJ1XdKklA?list=PLEm0 ... G62jo_iuIM In The My Name Is Cipher the Killer Has the 13 character cipher Broken Into A 'V' and line up the middle 8 on the exact center of the cipher between the hash marks and 4 letters or characters both match up the 'N' and the 'F' to start. Multiple matches. https://youtu.be/9iRn2IElIZw New video updated sequences. Plus As Mike Cole at ZodiacCiphers said "When the 408 cipher was decoded it revealed that Zodiac would not give his name, but then again, he never promised to, only his identity." Maybe the Zodiac symbol/Bullseye I found is all he was going to give in the 340, idk I'm still going to learn ciphering/codebreaking though. Be sure to watch part 1- https://youtu.be/9iRn2IElIZw I'll update as I go and I gotta learn how to cipher. Take care, we'll find this guy for the victims families. Bye.]]> Fred Manalli ZodiacClues123 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/8/#post-52855 Re: Fred Manalli (from old board) https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/8/#post-52852 Thu, 25 May 2017 06:58:08 +0000 Remember to cross check all your suspects and where they went to school because the Zodiac Killer said he killed the high school girl that wouldn't go out with him. So she'll be listed as a missing person. We don't know that Zodiac wrote the letter you are referring to(I personally think he did)and he didn't write that he killed a girl he asked out, he said "maybe it will be" and he mentioned Cheri Bates was for the "brushoffs over the past years".]]> Fred Manalli morf13 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/8/#post-52852 Re: Fred Manalli (from old board) https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/8/#post-52846 Thu, 25 May 2017 00:17:29 +0000 Fred Manalli ZodiacClues123 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/8/#post-52846 Re: Fred Manalli (from old board) https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/8/#post-15264 Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:25:14 +0000 Fred Manalli traveller1st https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/8/#post-15264 Re: Fred Manalli (from old board) https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/7/#post-15257 Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:07:29 +0000 Hi, Not sure where to put this besides this thread. Anyway, thinking about the ad placed in the Chronicle two days after Manalli died - "ZODIAC, your partner is in DEEP REAL ESTATE. You're next. The Imperial Wizard can save you. Surrender to him or I'll terminate your case. R.A.". Does anyone know the guidelines/deadlines to placing an ad at that time? I remember back as soon at the late 90's/early 2000's (before massive internet use) you had to call or write or visit the newspaper to place an ad. Also, i remember there was a deadline for submitting the ad. Example is ad has to be submitted at 5pm monday and new ads start on wednesday or something like that. Just wondering if its even possible for someone to get that ad into the paper so soon after Manalli's death. If the ad had anything to do with him (chances are slim). Maybe someone with access to the SF chronicle from that time period could see if there is any info in the paper about submitting personals. Just a thought. I think that Zodiphile raised a good point about the lead time of placing a want ad before it was actually published in the paper. We really do not have a definitive answer on that yet. But I did want to point out one thing I noticed when Tahoe and I were putting the SF Chronicle articles in chronological order and that is the Chronicle ran a Zodiac story the day before this want ad was in the paper. The Aug. 26, 1976 article is posted way down towards the bottom, here- http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop ... 150#p12150 The previous article on Zodiac in that paper was more than a year prior, April 1975, and was about Sonoma County SO linking the SRHM and other unsolved murders to Zodiac leaving a trail of murders that when tracked on a map of the US formed a "Z". AKA The Giant Z Theory]]> Fred Manalli Seagull https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/7/#post-15257 Re: Fred Manalli (from old board) https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/7/#post-15203 Tue, 10 Dec 2013 17:43:12 +0000 Fred Manalli BuckwheatFlowers https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/7/#post-15203 Re: Fred Manalli (from old board) https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/7/#post-15200 Tue, 10 Dec 2013 14:50:51 +0000 Fred Manalli Nachtsider https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/7/#post-15200 Re: Fred Manalli (from old board) https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/7/#post-15133 Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:06:33 +0000 Thanks, Trav. The rising river plus Zodiac stating he once was flooded-out is interesting too. "Interesting" is the only adjective I know. :lol: One thing that bothers me about Manalli is his height. It fits Bryan Hartnell's description but others describe Zodiac as 5'8" to 5'11" -- that's about average and we know Manalli was 6'3" (iirc). I know that witness identification is iffy but that's a lot of variance. As a tall person myself, it seldom seems that others guess tall people shorter than they actually are. Usually they guess taller (in my anecdotally gathered opinion). Yes it bothers me too. Still. I don't need to think that Manalli was Zodiac to benefit from investigating him. Look at the avenues this has opened up for to explore. Hopefully this experience and others like it will pay dividends some day if we approach a POI that turns out to be 'the one'.]]> Fred Manalli traveller1st https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/7/#post-15133 Re: Fred Manalli (from old board) https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/7/#post-15132 Mon, 09 Dec 2013 09:51:43 +0000 One thing that bothers me about Manalli is his height. It fits Bryan Hartnell's description but others describe Zodiac as 5'8" to 5'11" -- that's about average and we know Manalli was 6'3" (iirc). I know that witness identification is iffy but that's a lot of variance. As a tall person myself, it seldom seems that others guess tall people shorter than they actually are. Usually they guess taller (in my anecdotally gathered opinion).]]> Fred Manalli Patinky https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/7/#post-15132 Re: Fred Manalli (from old board) https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/7/#post-15128 Mon, 09 Dec 2013 08:20:05 +0000 Question for the handwriting folks here. Have Moriil's notes on the zodiac hand writing analysis ever been made public? If so could you link them I would love to check them out. His analysis has been, kinda, or at least I assume some of it is his. It's analysis notations on some of the writing exemplars in the case and they are in the FBI files. Doesn't really tell us anything that insightful unless you can understand the notations and are interested a certain POI and can work out who's handriting has the notations on them. There's no notes as such that I am aware of. There's some general comments that he made on video but nothing indepth or specific. TF shared this interesting tidbit with me a while ago. In Sherwood Morrill's obituary in the Sacramento Bee (3-23-1988, p. C2),there were some interesting tidbits: he died at the age of 73 on 3-19-1988 It said:
"Among his most famous cases was the Zodiac killer, in which Mr. Morrill cleared nearly 9,000 suspects. Although he said he was able to narrow the number of suspects down to one, he never publicly or privately named the person, family members said. "
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Well now, Cherry Street and Lovers Lane is interesting!
It's is and it isn't Pat. Doesn't really mean anything because those are pretty common St names throughout California and can often appear quite close to each other. I just thought it was a nice but, still quite common, coincidence. Still though. I find it mildly interesting that Fred lived on Frederick St in SF and I had to wonder how he thought coincidence and if he noticed it. He had to have noticed but it was probably just coincidence? wasn't it? or did he deliberately choose that address because of it? If just for his own amusement. Maybe he had a few choices of where to reside and they were all as good as each but that coincidence may have swung it? Who knows? Nothing's impossible, it's deciding if it was likely that's the tricky bit. I should mention that the above post wasn't strictly blind zync. I was reading through Manalli's stuff and he mentions that the "Russian River was rising like mad". I had to google that because I thought it was another of his obscure literary references. I now know it's just a river lol but that's what led me google earth the location. Zodiac did afterall mentioning flooding and rising rivers made me think of that.]]> Fred Manalli traveller1st https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/fred-manalli/fred-manalli-from-old-board/paged/7/#post-15128