Just read the ad again and noticed the R. A. at the end. Any ideas on that? Is it supposed to be the initials of the imperial wizzard or someone else all together. They’re not Manalli’s initials. Anyone think it’s possible Graysmith could have placed the ad to reinforce the connection he made with manalli and ALA?

What benefit would there be? The mention of the ad doesn’t appear until his 2nd book, written years after the ad ran. Plus, Graysmith barely touches on Manalli, and hardly discusses him at all. Doesn’t seem like Graysmith was hell bent on connecting Manalli to ALA. I am curious if Graysmith had info from a Z investigator that Manalli was a strong suspect, and he wanted to attach his fave suspect to Manalli.

I just started a NON-MANALLI thread about the book here-
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1756&p=20773#p20773

Personally I think that Manalli wrote the letters, Zodiac did the killing, and the Imperial Wizard was someone who knew what was going on, and maybe even had something to do with the whole thing. Maybe he was a rich man who had payed for these crimes to happen and get the police and media obsessed with it to hide something bigger that was going down. I just can’t imagine just one person being involved in this anymore, and I am 99% convinced that Manalli was involved for all of the reasons that morf mentioned.

I was reading this article about the Santa Rosa murders and wondering if anyone knows the identity of Det. Carsltedt’s suspect who committed suicide shortly after Carlstedt questioned him?

If I’m correctly interpreting the different things I’ve read, Carlstedt believed that Manalli was the killer of Kim Allen, while the suspect who committed suicide was responsible for others, but Carlstedt seems to disregard the "partner" theory, in spite of evidence suggesting that two men were involved in at least some of the crimes. I’d assume if there was anything to link this guy to Fred, Carlstedt would have followed up on it…but it would still be nice to know who he was.

The guy in the article is Fred, he’s the one who died in the car accident. The part before that is talking about Art Allen.

It’s confusing because it talks about those two suspects and then has Carlstadt say, " I think it was two guys." but says that the second guy is "also dead", in reference to Fred. I don’t know who that is and the article doesn’t say how he died. It makes it sound like he’s talking about Allen, but if the articles date is correct, he was still alive then.

The second guy that Carlstedt is talking about is apparently named Richard Anderson from what I’ve been able to determine. Carlstedt gave me the last name and method of suicide, shotgun blast to the head, and I was able confirm, by talking to a detective assigned to the cases a few years ago, the first name of Richard. That detective is no longer on the cases.

The second guy that Carlstedt is talking about is apparently named Richard Anderson from what I’ve been able to determine. Carlstedt gave me the last name and method of suicide, shotgun blast to the head, and I was able confirm, by talking to a detective assigned to the cases a few years ago, the first name of Richard. That detective is no longer on the cases.

Seagull, anyway to know if Fred knew Richard?

Hey, WAIT,,,,Richard Anderson…………….R.A.

The Richard Anderson mentioned by Seagull is-
NAME: Richard Dale Anderson
BIRTH: 20 Sep 1948 – California
DEATH: 9 Jun 1979 – Sonoma

In the 1970 Vallejo Directory, there is a Richard D. Anderson at 527 Brooke Dr, Vallejo. No idea if it’s the same Guy, this couldn’t be a much more common name.

I wonder how far Carlstedt actually got with the investigation. If he didn’t put any stock in a "Team Santa Rosa," he might not have explored that avenue properly.

Here’s a little documentation on Manalli’s voice, for what it’s worth, BBM:

http://archive.org/stream/illio54univ/i … v_djvu.txt

Year: 1954

"University Choir is the most advanced choral
group. Rs members are selected from competitive
try-outs held at the beginning of each semester.

"In February, members of the Choir took part
in a tour throughout Illinois. They presented
concerts on campus, one of which was directed
by the Swiss conductor, Ansermet.

"Basses: Clyde Barth, Rudolph Behar, William Burnett, Graham Bute, John Campbell, Charles Haas, John Helper, John Holt, Icko Iben, Richard Johnson, Robert Johnson, Richard Jones, Lowell Kelly, Robert Kidder. William Kreuger, Richard Linster, Francis Logan, Fredric Manalli. Arnold Markowitz, Don Moreland, Thomas Morgan. Howard Mueller, Tom Powers, Dana Pratt, James Pritchard, William Quinn, Irving Schultz, Wesley Schwengel, Russell Smith, Kenneth Spengler, Bernard Van Emden, Peter Yankwich

Man I had the weirdest dream about Fred last night.

I just had my first Zodiac dream a couple nights ago and then my older son woke me up so I tried going back to sleep to finish the dream but couldn’t. From what I remember, me and some friends were playing basketball close to Washington & Cherry and I was walking home when it hit me… there’s going to be a murder in about 5 minutes. So I hid in a bush and witnessed the whole thing. I didn’t get a good look at the murderer, so I followed him. He went into Kjell Qvale’s home, so I hid out for a bit and then tried to look through some windows to get a peak at who it was. I got my cell phone out and posted on here that I had the killer and needed help. That’s when I woke up. Can’t remember anything else about it.

Not sure how I got back to 1969 or why I had a cell phone with me, but it was one of those dreams that seemed very real.

Not sure if anyone posted this already, but here’s another college yearbook photo from 1955:

(full page)

Does anyone know how Tall Manalli was? And does his height jibe with the height description of Z?

Phil, Manalli was 6’3" as shown on his DD214, the form issued when one is separated from military service.

Here’s the DD214-

viewtopic.php?f=46&t=360

Not sure what his weight was, but he wrote in a letter that he had gained a bunch of weight, and that the person he was writing to may not recognize him

I can see him match the description if he gained a bit of weight. He looks gaunt in the photograph. But him filling out and with a pair of glasses on he would match the description of Z at the Stine crime scene.