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                        <title>Worst suspect ever</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2021 15:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[This guy is the worst suspect ever, he&#039;s up there with Earl Van Best. His writing looks nothing like Zodiac&#039;s, his physical description looks nothing like Zodiac&#039;s- this guy was tall and thi...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[This guy is the worst suspect ever, he's up there with Earl Van Best. His writing looks nothing like Zodiac's, his physical description looks nothing like Zodiac's- this guy was tall and thin- complete opposite of Zodiac.
This guy is connected to Riverside because he went to races there a couple times, he did not live there, spend time there, had no connection to the RCC library]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>REVIEW OF MY UPCOMING SECOND EDITION</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Review of &quot;In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer,&quot; by Tom Zoellner, former SF Chron reporter and author, who wrote the first article about my...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Review of &quot;In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer,&quot; by Tom Zoellner, former SF Chron reporter and author, who wrote the first article about my research in 2000:

It is no exaggeration to call the identity of the Zodiac Killer the most maddening unsolved crime in American history. Tens of millions of words have been spilled on various theories. But it is also no exaggeration to say that Mike Rodelli's case stands above them all for the depth of his research, the ingenuity of his insights, the lucid quality of his prose, the bulldoggedness of his dedication and his calmly methodical way of showing how the violence might have emanated from the highest levels of San Francisco society. Not everyone will agree with his startling conclusion to the case, but connoisseurs of true crime can certainly agree that Rodelli has made himself into a reluctant master of the genre: a detective's sensibility matched with a novelist's talent for storytelling. Had he been in Bay Area law enforcement when Zodiac was active, we might not have needed this book.&quot;]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>340 and KQ</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2020 03:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi,

When I first saw the solution to the 340 today, I thought, &quot;Ho-hum.  Z did not even tell us his name lol.&quot;  But then I thought about it more and it seems he may have revealed ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Hi,

When I first saw the solution to the 340 today, I thought, &quot;Ho-hum.  Z did not even tell us his name lol.&quot;  But then I thought about it more and it seems he may have revealed something important about himself in the 340 after all.

First off, I want to point out a linguistic quirk I noticed in the solution.  He says, &quot;...I hope you have having lots of fun IN trying to figure out...&quot;  A lot of people would not include the word &quot;in&quot; in that context.  This might be something to look for in the writings of the real Z.

OK.  So I think I won't be shouted down when I say that Z went through a lot of trouble to hide this message from us.  I hope that the fact that it took 51 years to solve the code serves as proof of that notion.  And what does he go on about in this message he may not really have wanted us to see?  Slaves in the afterlife and Paradice.

I could have been persuaded that slaves in the afterlife was a concept that Z glommed onto but in which he really didn't take much stock when push came to shove.  But now?  It seems that this concept was front and center in his mind to the point where he felt that the reason others fear death is that they have not saved up enough slaves to serve them in Paradice.  But he has. By hook or by crook, this is the main focus of his 340 message.  And who is likely to have been aware of an invested in such a concept?

One possibility is someone of Norse ancestr,y who was heavily influenced by the Vikings and their culture.

When Jim and I met with KQ in 2006, I asked him about his ties to Norse culture and he went out of his way to tell me it was pretty irrelevant to him.  But then I started learning things.  For instance, when KQ turned 90 in 2009, in an article that is still available on sfgate by Scott Ostler (7/29/09).  In the article, Ostler said that Qvale &quot;dressed like a Viking and danced the night away.&quot;  And in the 2012 book, <i>Lunches With Mr. Q</i>, it says that over the years KQ and his wife had hosted parties where people dressed up in traditional Norwegian clothes.  Norse culture rears its head once again.

So while the solution to the 340 does not single Qvale out, it certainly continues to point the needle in his direction, as opposed to suspects with no known and provable ties to the concept of slaves in the afterlife.

Mike]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Crossed circle</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2020 21:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Just finishing Mike Rodellis&#039; book. One thing I don&#039;t understand. He mentions more than once how the name Qvale can be found in the  cross circle symbol. I am missing something but I don&#039;t k...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Just finishing Mike Rodellis' book. One thing I don't understand. He mentions more than once how the name Qvale can be found in the  cross circle symbol. I am missing something but I don't know what he means. Any help?

                       charliemartin]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>The Lake Berryessa sketch</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2020 18:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I always wondered why the Lake B. Composite sketch and the PH composite sketch were so different. 

 
 
K.Q. is a dead ringer for the Presideo Heights sketch but doesn&#039;t look like the guy se...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I always wondered why the Lake B. Composite sketch and the PH composite sketch were so different. 

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K.Q. is a dead ringer for the Presideo Heights sketch but doesn't look like the guy seen by three girls at Lake B.

I was just rereading some of my old posts and saw one with a picture of K.Q. along with his wife and his racing team (see below).

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In my post I noticed one member of Q's team (the guy in front of K.Q.) wearing a cap with a crosshair on it. 

Seeing that picture again I now notice the similarities between this guy  and the Lake B. composite sketch (he even reminds me of ALA who looked like this composite sketch as well) 

Coincidence?]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>February 15th, 1974 S.F. Examiner</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Another oddity I found. One day after the Chronicle received the SLA letter, here&#039;s an apparent letter from KQ being referenced in the Examiner.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Another oddity I found. One day after the Chronicle received the SLA letter, here's an apparent letter from KQ being referenced in the Examiner.<div class="wpforo-attached-file"><a class="wpforo-default-attachment mg-inline-attach" href="/attachments/wpforo/attachments/297/81022=9452-gasrationsnafu.jpg"><i class="fas fa-paperclip"></i> <div class="wpforo-attached-file-img"><img class="mg-inline-attach-img" style="max-width: 320px;max-height: 240px" src="/attachments/wpforo/attachments/297/81022=9452-gasrationsnafu.jpg"></div></a></div>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>July 22nd 1968 interview with KQ</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2020 02:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[SF Examiner. Not sure if she&#039;s playing it up for yucks or if he really was that boring.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[SF Examiner. Not sure if she's playing it up for yucks or if he really was that boring.  <img src="/attachments/smilies/icon_e_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><div class="wpforo-attached-file"><a class="wpforo-default-attachment mg-inline-attach" href="/attachments/wpforo/attachments/297/80272=9383-sfexaminerjuly1968.jpg"><i class="fas fa-paperclip"></i> <div class="wpforo-attached-file-img"><img class="mg-inline-attach-img" style="max-width: 320px;max-height: 240px" src="/attachments/wpforo/attachments/297/80272=9383-sfexaminerjuly1968.jpg"></div></a></div>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Tire tracks at Lake Berryessa</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 02:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[In investigating POI Harvey F. Colliver, forum user Simplicity has made a discovery that also relates to Kjell Qvale. viewtopic.php?p=74112#p74112

Based upon the dimensions of Zodiac&#039;s tire...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[In investigating POI Harvey F. Colliver, forum user Simplicity has made a discovery that also relates to Kjell Qvale. <a class="postlink-local" href="http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?p=74112#p74112">viewtopic.php?p=74112#p74112</a>

Based upon the dimensions of Zodiac's tire tracks at the Lake Berryessa crime scene, an expert informed Simplicity that Zodiac may have driven a <b>Sunbeam Tiger</b> or a <b>Sunbeam Alpine</b>. These cars were both manufactured in England, the Tiger by Jensen Motors (later bought out by Qvale) and the Alpine by the Rootes Group.

These cars were very rare in the US and none other than Qvale specialized in importing British cars to the US West Coast.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Internet Article on Mr Q</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2017 01:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Probably best to use the link to read the article.  There are a lot of images and links in the story which I could not copy and paste to this post.  I was having trouble making some of the l...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Probably best to use the link to read the article.  There are a lot of images and links in the story which I could not copy and paste to this post.  I was having trouble making some of the links work but it could be me, I have terrible internet service.



<a class="postlink" href="http://jalopnik.com/why-the-internet-thinks-this-sports-car-mogul-might-hav-1793576277">http://jalopnik.com/why-the-internet-th ... 1793576277</a>



Why The Internet Thinks This Sports Car Mogul Might Have Been The Zodiac Killer

Jason Torchinsky
40 minutes ago
· Filed to: Car Crime

Even if you have never heard of the name Qvale, chances are that if you live anywhere near the West Coast and like European cars, you owe Kjell Qvale some thanks. Qvale brought MGs, Jaguars, Austin, Morris, Rolls-Royce and other cars to the Western U.S. He briefly had the exclusive right to sell Volkswagens on the West Coast, and he was responsible for the Jensen-Healey sports car. Also, some people think he was the infamous Zodiac Killer.

The Zodiac Killer terrorized the Bay Area and Northern California in the late ‘60s and into the early ‘70s. He had at least five confirmed kills, but possibly as many as 28. The killer himself claimed to have murdered 37 people.

Zodiac was known for leaving cryptic notes and messages, loaded with cyphers and obtuse symbols. Of the four cryptograms known, only one has ever been deciphered, and to this day the killer’s identity is not definitively known.

So how does Qvale fit into this killer’s infamous legacy? The reason people suggest that is bizarre and kind of sketchy—even if it’s still being talked about on internet forums, years after Qvale himself died. 

Qvale came to America from Norway when he was a kid, and, after a stint as a U.S. Navy pilot in World War II, saw an MG TC sports car and fell in love.

From that moment on, he decided that if little British sports cars could have such a profound effect on him, there were probably many others who’d be similarly smitten, so he started a company in San Francisco called ‘British Motor Car Distributors,’ and from there he sold Morris, Austin, Jaguar, Rolls-Royces, the occasional Triumph, and other bits of golden-age British iron.

Qvale expanded and diversified by getting to be the first distributor of Volkswagens in the West, as well as importing cars from Porsche, Lamborghini, De Tomaso, and Maserati. Really, what the famous Max Hoffmann was to the East Coast, Qvale was to the West.

Qvale even actually made cars at one point. When Austin-Healey announced they were stopping production, Qvale realized this would leave a large hole in the American market, where the Austin-Healey was still popular. 

To fill this hole, Qvale partnered with Donald Healey, the designer of the Austin-Healey, and Jensen Motors, who was building the Austin-Healey for Austin (sort of in the same way Jensen built the early P1800 for Volvo).

Healey was going to miss the royalties he got from Austin, and Jensen wanted something to replace the production of the Austin-Healey, so they were as eager as Qvale to create a new car to replace it. They did, the Jensen-Healey.

The Jensen-Healey became Jensen’s biggest-selling car ever, and in 1970 Qvale became Jensen’s biggest shareholder. 

Much later, Kjell Qvale’s son, Bruce, would buy the rights to the De Tomaso Biguà and sell it as a Qvale Mangusta. It’s safe to say the Qvale name is a big one in the world of cars.

The Mangusta, developed by Qvale’s son Bruce Qvale, which came much later in the early 2000s.

Sadly for Qvale’s memory, it also seems that the Qvale name is a big one in the much smaller and stranger world of the Zodiac Killer—much of which occurred right around the time Qvale was building those Jensen-Healeys.

Everything seems to revolve around the October 12, 1969 murder of Paul Stine, in the Presidio Heights neighborhood of San Francisco. Stine was a cab driver, and was shot at pointblank range. This murder was actually seen by three witnesses, who gave the first eyewitness descriptions of the Zodiac killer.

Unfortunately, a miscommunication over the police radio had cops out looking for a black suspect instead of a white suspect, and one of the policemen passed a man bearing the correct description.

Later, this policeman’s report and the eyewitness descriptions allowed for the first composite sketch of the Zodiac Killer to be made and distributed.

Okay, fine, but what about Qvale? I’m getting there! 

The main reason Qvale even comes up in all this is because that night, just a few blocks away, Kjell Qvale was out walking his dog. That, and the fact that Qvale bears a passing resemblance to the Zodiac Killer sketch, seems to be how this all started. 

That the man with the dog was Qvale seems to come from the statements of one of the police officers at the scene, Armond Pelissetti. 

From what I can gather–and that’s not easy, given the wildly speculative nature of the theories, the fact that decades and decades have passed, and the somewhat convoluted thinking of the sort of people who obsess over long-gone serial killers, the Qvale-is-the-Zodiac timeline for the night looks something like this:

Pelissetti arrives at scene. He talks to the kids. He calls it in. In the meantime Fouke has been en route to the scene, driving along Jackson, where he encounters Zodiac. Shortly after this encounter Fouke meets Pelissetti somewhere on Cherry where the two of them has a brief conservation.

If this is indeed the sequence, Zodiac could have made it to 3636 from 3712 Jackson St. He could have changed his clothes and picked up his dog and moved outside before Pelissetti managed to reach the point where he accosted KQ. 

The time allows for this. I’m not saying this is what happened. But the time does allow for it, as I see it. 3712 is the proverbial stone’s throw from 3636. And Zodiac could have bolted as soon as Fouke was out of sight.

So, if we follow this, Zodiac kills the Stine, walks away from the cab, is seen by one cop who doesn’t realize he should be looking for a white guy like him, Zodiac bolts a couple of blocks home, changes clothes, grabs the dog, and heads back outside.

Why Qvale wouldn’t have just stayed inside if he’d just killed a man out on the street isn’t clear, but maybe that dog really had to take a dump and Qvale had white carpeting, or something.

As things like this always do, the Qvale story gets weirder and weirder the more you dig. My favorite theories by far are that Qvale was a member of the influential Bohemian Grove, an all-male club with incredibly powerful members, including presidents and captains of industry. One of the planning meetings for the Manhattan Project took place there.

Anyway, in these theories, Bohemian Grove was not a social club for rich and powerful men, but a homosexual sex-cult that performed occult ceremonies to a giant horned owl named Moloch. I’m not really sure this theory is taken that seriously, though.

Qvale died in 2013 at the age of 94, having lived a full life and been an influential figure in the American car scene. Obviously he was never charged with any crimes related to the Zodiac murders; it’s not clear whether or not he or his family ever even addressed these rumors or denied them. They’d certainly have good reason to.

I don’t actually think many people seriously think Kjell Qvale was the Zodiac Killer, but Qvale is a big enough deal in the world of motoring that it’s possible in your probings around the internet, you might come across the suggestion. 

Besides, everyone thinks it was probably Ted Cruz now, anyway. 

(Thanks to our own Graverobber for starting all this mess)]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Grant Ave and Paul Stine- a zynchonicity?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2016 10:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I was looking into where Paul Stine lived when he moved to San Francisco having found a claim he lived near Mageau and knew Darlene Ferrin. And if this has been mentioned before, please forg...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I was looking into where Paul Stine lived when he moved to San Francisco having found a claim he lived near Mageau and knew Darlene Ferrin. And if this has been mentioned before, please forgive me, I searched the forums.

Paul Stine's first address in 1963 was 1226 Grant Ave, Apt 6. I was seeing if there was another zynchronous name nearby, and right next door (1228) was Kjell Importers. I don't know if it means anything- maybe Paul went looking there for a job, maybe they became friends, maybe it was a coincidence, maybe Paul had given him a ride close to home since they were friends (I can't explain the sheet saying Maple and Washington). Who knows- maybe the killer wasn't who he gave the ride to. Or maybe its nothing, but I found it so I thought I'd share and see what the board thinks.

-m

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