https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/ Zodiac Killer Discussion Board en-US Fri, 10 Apr 2026 17:43:04 +0000 wpForo 60 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/5/#post-49868 Fri, 04 Nov 2016 17:43:14 +0000 Ive tossed around the idea z had some connection to a cab company or worked for a cab company...im not overly convinced stine was random homicide....z went well out of his mo in regards to stine.... snooter, I agree completely! I never thought Stine was random. I have tossed around the idea that the accident that Stine had just days before could have involved Zodiac. My other thought has to do with one of my suspects. One looks so much like Stine that I can't help but wonder if he wanted Stine's drivers license to use to get drugs across the boarder from Mexico to the counterfeit /drug ring in Vallejo in the late 60's. Darlene Ferrin was connected to that ring but wanted out, she was not random, she knew her killer and was very afraid of him. The name Stine had a better chance to cross the boarder without a search, rather than a person with a Hispanic last name. I am 99 percent sure that one or both of my suspects has a Hispanic last name. (Both could pass for Caucasian) The one that most of you have seen the picture of has a dark complexion, but he was tan from working outside in construction and it was taken in August 1990. By randomly killing others before and after the intended victims , the people that Zodiac needed killed were tossed into the mix of random victims is what I believe.]]> Paul Stine 10/11/69 sandy betts https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/5/#post-49868 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/5/#post-49862 Fri, 04 Nov 2016 05:46:10 +0000 Paul Stine 10/11/69 snooter https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/5/#post-49862 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-43429 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 20:18:40 +0000 Sandy, Those are both very good points. Makes a lot of sense that investigating those may have given some important leads to explore. Am wondering if anyone here has information if this was looked at by LE. Thanks charliemartin, As far as I know no one did. I asked Det. Mike Maloney who was one of the main Det. in charge of the Z case yrs ago , if the accident was looked into and he said no. I don't remember if I asked him about the trip sheet for that day. Perhaps VPD Det.Terry P can ask SFPD those questions ? I have a very good feeling about this new VPD Detective working the Zodiac case , he has the dedication it takes to break this case wide open !]]> Paul Stine 10/11/69 sandy betts https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-43429 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-43419 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 04:05:48 +0000 Paul Stine 10/11/69 charliemartin https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-43419 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-40203 Sun, 16 Aug 2015 08:51:16 +0000 Paul Stine 10/11/69 sandy betts https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-40203 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-40202 Sun, 16 Aug 2015 08:38:07 +0000 I think it's possible he had business in that area. Maybe he was house sitting, visiting, etc. I definitely do not think he himself lived there. I also think the clue may be WASHINGTON & MAPLE and NOT WASHINGTON & CHERRY. Maybe the clue is at the corner of Maple, but he thought that he should go one block further to distance himself from the clue. Thank you Morf, I agree with you 100 percent. He first told Stine Washington and Maple, but decided that was too close to where he was really going , so to throw the police off he shot Stine on Cherry. Then he proceeds back towards Maple via Jackson street. I found that several of those homes in that area rented rooms by the day / week etc. A couple of years ago I was in one of those homes that just happened to have a basement apt. That apt had a back door that lead into the park, directly across from Julius Kahn playground. The windows in that apt , would have been the perfect place for Zodiac to watch everything that went on that night. It gave me a eerie feeling to stand in front of that window , wondering if I was standing in the very spot that Zodiac had.]]> Paul Stine 10/11/69 sandy betts https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-40202 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-36560 Wed, 10 Jun 2015 20:45:34 +0000 Paul Stine 10/11/69 PinkPhantom https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-36560 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-36553 Wed, 10 Jun 2015 17:12:59 +0000 Paul Stine 10/11/69 masootz https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-36553 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-31873 Sat, 28 Mar 2015 21:58:05 +0000 Paul Stine 10/11/69 Tahoe27 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-31873 https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-31856 Sat, 28 Mar 2015 16:53:55 +0000 But it's still not totally out of the question, imo. If you wanted a family member dead and didn't want to be considered... Let's say, for the sake of argument that it WAS his brother. What other parts of the Z series did he commit? Or, rather, what other parts did he have to commit, in order for this to make sense? The three "bloody shirt" letters must have been him. The 340 must have been him too - otherwise the coincidence is just too big to be believable. To me there is a very clear connection between ALL of the earlier Z communications (going back to the three-part cipher) and the Stine letter + follow-ups. So, I'm inclined to think that he would have had to be: At the very least responsible for taking credit for LHR. Responsible for BRS Responsible for every Z letter between the three-part and Stine AND responsible for the bus bomb, the 340 and Belli. Arguably also a couple of more letters, post Belli. We can exclude Berryessa, it being technically much harder to connect. As you say, crazier theories have been launched. But to me it's nevertheless pretty crazy to go through all of the above simply in order to create some kind of smoke screen. If Stine's brother wanted Stine dead, he had the perfect smoke screen right at his fingertips: Cabbie mugging gone wrong. Happened all the time. No need to get insanely creative and pin it on a serial killer.]]> Paul Stine 10/11/69 Norse https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/paul-stine-10-11-69/why-did-he-do-it-was-it-all-or-nothing-for-him/paged/4/#post-31856