Does anyone know: When was this letter sent? and to whom? and were was it poststamped? And was that the only thing sent? or was there like a real letter as well?

POSTMARKED 12/16/69 FAIRFIELD CA SENT TO SF EXAMINER FIRST PAGE IS HERE: http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com ... r-t455.htm

Morf - I take it they did not send you a copy of the envelope? I did include the envelope in my request so if I get it I will post it.

Morf - I take it they did not send you a copy of the envelope? I did include the envelope in my request so if I get it I will post it.

Sorry, forgot to post this as i was pretty excited.

The word KNIFE in both looks similar. In my opinion, the K on the car door is more like Z's real, undisguised handwriting, and the bleeding knife may be his after he disguised it.

The word KNIFE in both looks similar. In my opinion, the K on the car door is more like Z's real, undisguised handwriting, and the bleeding knife may be his after he disguised it.

Terrific work in getting these letters, morf. Persistence sometimes pays off. My first thought on these letters is that the handwriting is marginal and there seems to be a certain hard-to-define immaturity in these letters that is missing from any confirmed Zodiac communications. Were BOTH of these letters postmarked from Fairfield, CA? If so, I think it is likely they can be attributed to the same writer as the other Fairfield letters, which appear to be the work of one dedicated hoaxster, IMHO. http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com ... y-t118.htm If anyone can find my original post about the Fairfield letters, it would be much appreciated. ither way, it's great to have a catalogue of ALL of these unconfirmed letters to compare. Nice work...

I have heard "whispers" that this letter has been declared a fraud,and that Tom V had this material long time ago. I find that hard to believe as I have never seen this anyplace before, anywhere on the net, and I have never heard anybody that claimed to have seen it. Even on some of the other Z forums, there has been talk of this letter, but not of the images. I challenge anybody that claims to know for sure that this letter was proven to be fake, to present evidence or documentation showing that. I just dont think it is the case. The letter may be a fake, who knows, but for people that claim to have details, please share.

Excellent work TF. You might want to post this on ZKF. Good job. I don't know when the "by knife" was released. But it was concealed on that picture.

Here it is finally, THE BLEEDING KNIFE OF ZODIAC letter possibly from Z ( actually more like a drawing) The FBI did not give me any other facts, dates, or details regarding this letter. Opinions???

Morf, Just wanted to say that I've often heard about this letter. It is nice to finally see it, for whatever value it may have. Good work and thanks!

Morf, Just wanted to say that I've often heard about this letter. It is nice to finally see it, for whatever value it may have. Good work and thanks!

Thanks Chris. It may or may not prove useful somehow, but at the very least it is something new to discuss. Feel free to use it on your site, maybe it will help you debunk DK with it... we can only hope..

Morf, Just wanted to say that I've often heard about this letter. It is nice to finally see it, for whatever value it may have. Good work and thanks!

Thanks Chris. It may or may not prove useful somehow, but at the very least it is something new to discuss. Feel free to use it on your site, maybe it will help you debunk DK with it... we can only hope..

Morf, Just wanted to say that I've often heard about this letter. It is nice to finally see it, for whatever value it may have. Good work and thanks!

Thanks Chris. It may or may not prove useful somehow, but at the very least it is something new to discuss. Feel free to use it on your site, maybe it will help you debunk DK with it... we can only hope..

Well, Nanette is already working on it, so I have a feeling it'll come in handy in the debunking

09/01/10 at 09:00 PM #5 Interesting find. I wonder how many letters are out there floating around.....that were either sent by JT or by copycats all together? This must have been a hectic time... But, I am confused as to why it would be labeled to S.F., but addressed to Fairfield. This is kind of like the suicide note to Mary from the Red Lipstick Killings in Riverside. It surfaces, but no one knows truly whether or not to attribute it to the same person. It is obvious that someone is attempting to disguise their handwriting because identical letters do not hold a natural variation, or they do not look like each other as far as the overall gestalt. I have a class this evening, but I will take a stab at the writing later....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/03/03/MNG37OETI71.DTL Sooo, the "overwriting" and the FBI's indication of a lack of fluidity would most likely mean "no match" here...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/03/03/MNG37OETI71.DTL Sooo, the "overwriting" and the FBI's indication of a lack of fluidity would most likely mean "no match" here...

He said "A tip-off to copied or disguised handwriting is a lack of "fluency," Makes sense to me, if Z did send this letter, he may very well have tried to disguise it.

I would continue my analysis here, except I have been told that people do not like the conclusion I have come to that the letters are not from Z, so I will just say nothing more, I guess. My conclusion has nothing to do with all of the hard work that people went to to get the letters. I am sure that there are more letters and other Z-related things out there as well, that are either being held back by LE or buried in FBI files. I think that people need to separate the conclusions that may be drawn about the authenticity of a piece of Z-related data (analysis/logic), from the (emotional) appreciation we all have of the work that goes in to doing a FOIA request, and actually "extracting" the information from the FBI or other large governmental agencies.

When new things like this letter get found or brought into the spotlight for Zodiac discussion, they should be shared among various Zodiac forums, at least in my opinion. Yet we see posts like this on another Zodiac forum: "I was hoping this problem would go away, but it's been several months and I don't see an end in sight. So, we have a new rule: DO NOT REPOST CONTENT THAT ORIGINATES AT THIS DISCUSSION FORUM TO OTHER SITES. We are seeing members of this forum put the work in to dig up new and interesting pieces of info, and as soon as it is posted here for discussion, other members repost it for discussion elsewhere. If you come up with something new, by all means, also include it on your personal site. But to rival Zodiac sites? Please. If other forums need new stuff to discuss, they can get off their asses and put in the work like we do. I'd hate to have to ban someone for violating this rule, but I will. It's pretty simple, really: What originates here gets discussed here." This post was emailed to me, and I got a chuckle. 'Rival Zodiac sites'?? Are you serious? This is the type of stuff that the police did back in the late 60's when Z was still doing his thing. I dont know about anybody else, but my goal is to see this case solved. If everybody felt this way, they would want to share ideas and info. Whatever, I guess I just have to consider the source in this situation, and then it doesnt surprise me. We share ideas and info, and we dont even charge you $$$, LOL. If anyone here sees anything they want to share with other forums, please do, we want to get the truth out there, and maybe one day, see the case solved.

-----Original Message----- From: tomvoigt@zodiackiller.com To: Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:10 pm Subject: Re: reposting content Sure, if someone posts something new at my site and they also want to post it elsewhere, that's fine. What I am trying to avoid is crap like "xxxxxxxxx" taking something new "yyyyyyy" posted at my site and reposting it at morf and bitterfield's sites. if "yyyyyyy" wants to post it there, he can do it himself. if discussing the thread at my site isn't good enough for "xxxxxxxxx" , tough. i am not interested in feeding the trolls. On Thu 01/07/10 1:38 PM , Tracers sent: ok thanks--another question you may want to clarify about reposting: if someone posts something at your site, since they posted it, can they then repost it at other sites? are you saying people can't repost their own stuff, or that people can't repost stuff from other people? i don't have any exciting new info to post, but bet some people who do find and post things may be wondering if you are saying once they post something to your board, they can't post it elsewhere--you did say people can post things at their own sites, but what if people don't have their own sites? if they find the info, can they repost it elsewhere? lol--sorry if i sound anal--just not sure what you meant.

I am interested in this message about “the bleeding knife of Zodiac” whether or not it was from the Zodiac. Whoever drew this picture had knowledge of a bleeding knife which does seem to be a reference to Jack the Ripper. The term “bleeding knife” refers to a particular type of knife also known as a lancet. Depending upon the context, it could be used by a doctor or by a butcher. Maybe someone can help to find a photo of a bleeding knife in which the curvature of the blade specifically matches the drawing of “the bleeding knife of Zodiac”.

I am interested in this message about “the bleeding knife of Zodiac” whether or not it was from the Zodiac. Whoever drew this picture had knowledge of a bleeding knife which does seem to be a reference to Jack the Ripper. The term “bleeding knife” refers to a particular type of knife also known as a lancet. Depending upon the context, it could be used by a doctor or by a butcher. Maybe someone can help to find a photo of a bleeding knife in which the curvature of the blade specifically matches the drawing of “the bleeding knife of Zodiac”.

I don't really care if stuff that originates here gets reposted elsewhere, so long as the original poster is credited and users don't abandon discussion here for another website.

What do you (or anyone) make of the tip? I mean how could he or she (just to be fair) screw it up that bad? Does anyone think it is possible that the artist was trying to show a broken tip? Of course I am referencing the Bates confession letter where the author claimed the knife broke.........most seem to assume a clean break but it did not have to be. I know the murder weapon was never found but was the broken knife confirmed during the autopsy?

I have heard "whispers" that this letter has been declared a fraud,and that Tom V had this material long time ago. I find that hard to believe as I have never seen this anyplace before, anywhere on the net, and I have never heard anybody that claimed to have seen it. Even on some of the other Z forums, there has been talk of this letter, but not of the images.

That is just the FBI publicly released Zodiac file, also available at the FBI website. It does NOT contain the actual letters. If Tom actually has the letters, he should post them and the envelope, which I am still waiting for. Tom claims he had this a decade ago, posted it, then decided it was fake and took it down. If true, let him post the envelope. Tom has the May 1978 possible Zodiac letter mentioning the Manson Family, which has never been authenticated and most researchers think it fake, yet Tom has it up at his site. Odd why he would decide to remove the Fairfield letters, when the FBI analysis says they "probably" are real. At this site, it will not be Morf, me, Zam, Auth or Solar decding what is real and what is fake. Suspected and possible Zodiac letters and envelopes will be posted for all to see, and sent to all major sites and researchers (as I sent this to Tom, Mike B, Chris Y, Ricardo, Doug Oswell and Roland), so that people can view them, study them, discuss, debate and decide for themselves.