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                        <title>Oregon letter to editor</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Probably nothing to do with the case but I did find this letter to the editor interesting as it was sent to The Capital journal, Salem, Oregon on Nov 1 1969. Just though it was interesting d...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Probably nothing to do with the case but I did find this letter to the editor interesting as it was sent to The Capital journal, Salem, Oregon on Nov 1 1969. Just though it was interesting due to time period and the fact it was sent to a paper 60m form Brian Hartnell home town of Troutdale. The tone does seem familiar.

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                        <title>Zodiac in LA ?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2021 18:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure this has been mentioned before but I thought I would share in case people have not seen.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I'm sure this has been mentioned before but I thought I would share in case people have not seen.

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						                            <category domain="https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/unconfirmed-zodiac-letters-mailings-general-discussion/">Unconfirmed Zodiac Letters &amp; Mailings General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Cragle</dc:creator>
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                        <title>New Zodiac Handwriting Analysis</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2021 22:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I took it upon myself to request the help of a trained, certified, professional questioned document examiner to review and analyze several of the most debated Zodiac writings and see if we c...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I took it upon myself to request the help of a trained, certified, professional questioned document examiner to review and analyze several of the most debated Zodiac writings and see if we can glean any new information. I wanted a fresh set of eyes, totally unbiased, who could look at the writings and give us some new insights. By the way, the images of the letters that I sent her were from Tom Voigt's website zodiackiller.com. Thank you, Tom! 

I provided this particular QDE with just the fundamental facts of the case as to not influence her opinion on any of the questionable writings. She had heard of the case, but only possessed an average, casual knowledge of the details. 

I gave her the following writings to use as examples of confirmed Zodiac writings:

1. Both cipher letters and envelopes sent to the Chronicle and the Examiner on July 31, 1969

2. The letter sent to the Examiner on August 4, 1969

3. The letter sent to the Chronicle on October 13, 1969 that contained Paul Stine's bloody shirt

In return, I asked her to analyze the following writings to determine whether or not they were written by Zodiac:

1. Desktop Poem

2. All three of the letters sent after Cheri Jo Bates was murdered (&quot;Bates had to die...)

3. The Exorcist Letter sent in 1974

4. The &quot;Paul Averly&quot; envelope that the Halloween card was sent in 

5. The envelope that 1990 &quot;Secret Pal&quot; card was sent in

I have included a link to the official report from her below. For those of you uninterested in reading her official report, here are her findings in brief:

1. The three letters sent after Cheri Jo Bates was murdered (&quot;Bates had to die...&quot;&quot;)were determined LIKELY NOT to be written by Zodiac but that is not conclusive because the writer appears to be intentionally trying to disguise their handwriting

2. The Desktop Poem WAS NOT written by Zodiac

3. The Exorcist Letter WAS VERY PROBABLY written by Zodiac 

4. The Halloween card envelope WAS LIKELY written by Zodiac but this is not conclusive

5. The 1990 Secret Pal envelope was INCONCLUSIVE

I know there are over a dozen more questionable writings that I could have submitted to her, but these were the ones that I was most interested in knowing about, and I only had a limited amount of writings to send her to review. 

I think she did a great job (she spent more than 6 weeks analyzing them and preparing the report below). 

So, there you have it! I'm sure this won't end the debate about who wrote what, but at least it adds to the evidence to one degree or another. 

I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. Just ask!

Here's the link to the official report:

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						                            <category domain="https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/unconfirmed-zodiac-letters-mailings-general-discussion/">Unconfirmed Zodiac Letters &amp; Mailings General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Chaucer</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Is &quot;Please&quot; the Z typewriter tell?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2021 09:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I was on Richard Grinnell&#039;s Zodiac Ciphers web site. The post was about the Santa Claus card in the 1981 Joan Webster murder. One poster suggested that the positioning of the lowercase lette...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I was on Richard Grinnell's Zodiac Ciphers web site. The post was about the Santa Claus card in the 1981 Joan Webster murder. One poster suggested that the positioning of the lowercase letter &quot;a&quot; was the same as that on the &quot;concerned citizen&quot; letter/card sent to Vallejo PD offering to help solve the 408 cipher. He pointed out that the &quot;a&quot; is &quot;dropped&quot; that it strikes lower down than the other letters. 

I think it goes beyond that. Both cards contain the word &quot;please.&quot; The spacing and positioning looks remarkably similar. The a is dropped low. The s is slightly risen. The final e is back to about level. The e and the a are squeezed together. 

I'm not a typesetting expert by any means. But to my amateur eye, it's eerie. 

Is there an explanation that doesn't involve them being from the same typewriter? 

Are there other typed letters in the case with a similar &quot;Please?&quot;]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/unconfirmed-zodiac-letters-mailings-general-discussion/">Unconfirmed Zodiac Letters &amp; Mailings General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Nick, no Nora</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Hi-Res Zodiac Letters</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2020 00:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Does anyone know which site has the best hi-res photos of the Zodiac letters?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Does anyone know which site has the best hi-res photos of the Zodiac letters?]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>qc40 is probably referencing cheating/magic cards</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2020 23:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Apparently some of this was decrypted. 

FBI file 3 page 121.

FLT 5 5 5 

FLT THREE OF KIND V
... for-cancer

I believe this is not from a packet of cigarettes.

This is from a packet of ca...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Apparently some of this was decrypted. 

FBI file 3 page 121.

FLT 5 5 5 

FLT THREE OF KIND V

<a class="postlink" href="https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/day-by-day-forecast-for-cancer">https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-ne ... for-cancer</a>

I believe this is not from a packet of cigarettes.

This is from a packet of cards that are a marked deck for cheating/magic tricks.

<img class="mg-bbcode" src="https://i.imgur.com/ByZ7ZG4.jpg">

Cards.

Read my post with the heading RED HOT.

<a class="postlink-local" href="https://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&amp;t=3608&amp;hilit=bridge#p80694">viewtopic.php?f=27&amp;t=3608&amp;hilit=bridge#p80694</a>

I think the Zodiac selected his victims by playing cards with them beforehand and somehow they selected how they will die based on that game.

I think he used these cards to cheat them too.

Edit: Added Death Wheel.
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Edit: Added Pythian Sisters card party

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29th Nov 1968 - Napa Valley

Associated lodge persons organized playing cards all the time. 

Pythian sisters.

They are called 'card parties'.

.... and seemingly 4 minutes walk away from where the Zodiac placed his NAPA call...

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						                            <category domain="https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/unconfirmed-zodiac-letters-mailings-general-discussion/">Unconfirmed Zodiac Letters &amp; Mailings General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>BDHolland</dc:creator>
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                        <title>The Herb Caen fanatic (zodiac copycat)</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 01 Sep 2019 21:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Here is my view over the 3 letters written between 1978 to 1987; there is no doubt the author in all these three which spawned over 9 years is the same person, who is obsessed with Herb Caen...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Here is my view over the 3 letters written between 1978 to 1987; there is no doubt the author in all these three which spawned over 9 years is the same person, who is obsessed with Herb Caen for some reason.

The big question is: <b>Do you believe he took his mentally illed hobby of admiring and pretending to be the authentic zodiac and went on to killing innocents </b>(the Laotian couple Koy Ien Saechao, 48 years old, and Choy Fow Salee, 40 years old, who were murdered on April 22nd, 1986, whom he hinted to have killed by his May 6th, 1986 letter)<b> in the real life?</b>

View here: <a class="postlink" href="https://imgur.com/gallery/dMyo27c">https://imgur.com/gallery/dMyo27c</a>
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                        <title>The missing Card of the &quot;Slay&quot;communication</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2019 17:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi guys,

I just went through the FBI files again and noticed this...

The &quot;slay&quot; communication was a card in an envelope.

 

Here we see it mentioned again...

 

But then someth...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Hi guys,

I just went through the FBI files again and noticed this...

The &quot;slay&quot; communication was a card in an envelope.

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Here we see it mentioned again...

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But then something strange happens...
The Card gets a new evidence number (for handwriting checking) and most likely was photocopied only on the side of the writing.
Now the card found in the envelope changes into a sheet of paper.

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What happened to the front side of the card? Did it have a message or pictures on it?]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/community/unconfirmed-zodiac-letters-mailings-general-discussion/">Unconfirmed Zodiac Letters &amp; Mailings General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Eduard Versluijs</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Writing on a policecar (most likely a copycat)</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2019 14:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[One of the most bizare things Zodiac did was writing a message on a car. I found another crime-related message written on a car (more than 20 years later and on the other side of the States)...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[One of the most bizare things Zodiac did was writing a message on a car. I found another crime-related message written on a car (more than 20 years later and on the other side of the States).

On January 4, 1986, a message on the side of a police car in Atlanta City was discovered around 3:00 AM. The message read &quot;Another one will die on 1/12/86 if all goes right.&quot; The date inscribed was the second anniversary of a murder. 

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I do not think Zodiac was involved with that murder because the Modus Operandi involves a 7 year old kid and a blow to his head. But I never saw a case involving writing on a car and taunting the police besides Zodiac. The Atlanta police decided that the writing on the car most likely was that of a prankster (not the killer) trying to spread fear to the public. Hmmmm, that sounds like...]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Interesting Personal Ad&#039;s from Daily Nexus</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2018 00:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I can across these Personal Ad&#039;s in the Daily Nexus paper of UCSB.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I can across these Personal Ad's in the Daily Nexus paper of UCSB.<div class="wpforo-attached-file"><a class="wpforo-default-attachment mg-inline-attach" href="/attachments/wpforo/attachments/1620/66209=7727-The-Phantom.jpg"><i class="fas fa-paperclip"></i> <div class="wpforo-attached-file-img"><img class="mg-inline-attach-img" style="max-width: 320px;max-height: 240px" src="/attachments/wpforo/attachments/1620/66209=7727-The-Phantom.jpg"></div></a></div>]]></content:encoded>
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