BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION? - Zodiac Case General Discussion

Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Talon — Thu, 26 Jul 2018 04:47:07 +0000

Have always been interested in the character 'Blaine Blaine'. While doing some research years back I ran across this blog called The Word Hoard. It's a six part recount of the author's trip to Morocco in the summer of 1980. Throughout the account he mentions meeting 'Blaine Blaine'. During conversations accounted here, BB speaks of things that occurred in his life before his exile to Cairo and Morocco, specifically, rape, drugs, murder, suicide. http://thewordhoard.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... art-2.html All 6 parts can be found by accessing the dates to the right of the page. Blaine appears in several sections. No conclusions reached.

Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

duckking2001 — Wed, 10 May 2017 16:13:44 +0000

Ok. The Barker was too portly to chase people down, but you're talking Blaine's 1972+ friends, right? What about, before 1970? Blaine and his friends couldn't be "Zodiac", because that was someone else's fictional persona. But there really were savage attacks on couples, in various places throughout California during the 1960's, and cultesque movements don't just pop into being overnight...it takes time to grow them. Perhaps someone ought to ask Blaine and Sanders about sodomizing "puppies" in the backroom-office of "Tuesday's Child". The "pussycat" story is a fantasy, but what does it say about the fantasizer? I warned Sanders that I was going to do this - expose Blaine and his other sources - years ago. I gave him lots of time to make any public statements he might choose to, so no question of 'blind-siding' here. I told him, he could only blame himself for what McGowan et.al., were doing to Wavy Gravy - the inevitable blowback from cozying up to conspiracy whackos like Ted Gunderson.

Is that you, Doug?

Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Seagull — Tue, 09 May 2017 20:35:45 +0000

It's not a secret that Blaine and Sanders have "flights of fancy". Sanders is to the Manson case what Graysmith is to the Zodiac case. Some truth and some fiction. Sanders rarely sources his little "gems". He doesn't seem to care what people say about him. So, what's your point?

Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Bob Dobbson — Tue, 09 May 2017 19:04:55 +0000

Ok. The Barker was too portly to chase people down, but you're talking Blaine's 1972+ friends, right? What about, before 1970? Blaine and his friends couldn't be "Zodiac", because that was someone else's fictional persona. But there really were savage attacks on couples, in various places throughout California during the 1960's, and cultesque movements don't just pop into being overnight...it takes time to grow them. Perhaps someone ought to ask Blaine and Sanders about sodomizing "puppies" in the backroom-office of "Tuesday's Child". The "pussycat" story is a fantasy, but what does it say about the fantasizer? I warned Sanders that I was going to do this - expose Blaine and his other sources - years ago. I gave him lots of time to make any public statements he might choose to, so no question of 'blind-siding' here. I told him, he could only blame himself for what McGowan et.al., were doing to Wavy Gravy - the inevitable blowback from cozying up to conspiracy whackos like Ted Gunderson.

Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Red_Ryder — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:47:33 +0000

sandy betts wrote: I forgot to mention that When I read the description of Blaine, that I did some investigating on him, because he fit somewhat the description of my suspect. ( The bad eye, the slight spiting when he talks) Blaine sold a lot of real-estate in the Berkeley/Oakland areas, he was well off at one time. His Middle name is Thurman , he has a high IQ.

Oh and his middle name was Thorman, not Thurman. There is no record of him ever being a realtor, let alone a successful one. This seems impossible given what we know about him. How could he have been a successful realtor when he was living in self-exile in a van in Crete? It is however possible that Blaine had a friend or partner or relative at some time who was a successful businessman.

Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Red_Ryder — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:58:13 +0000

Thanks Marie, You've basically said what I was trying to say only more succinctly. I too would be very surprised if Blaine had ever been a successful realtor. However I have wondered how he got enough money to live, especially considering that he made at least one extended trip to Crete. He had spent time in prison for grand theft auto before moving to SF and the only job we know he had for certain is as a press journalist on underground and counterculture newspapers and journals. Note how in the letters he sent about the tragic death of O'Toole, he is: 1) easily riled to anger/retaliation and 2) very quick to point blame on those who he feels have wronged him personally, and 3) quick to align himself as a "victim" with someone who actually was a tragic and talented artist, and 4) all while actively attempting self-promotion. His affected/anachronistic style of writing and love of symbolism and mysticism also interests me greatly. And in case anyone is wondering, no I am not suggesting that Blaine was the Zodiac. During his stint as Zakatorious, Blaine was described by a contemporary as being of brilliant mind, articulate, but prone to wild exaggerations, emotionally-charged language and rhetoric. He had two close friends/followers. One was called Richey (aka Rainbow Richey, Ritchie, Richie, Paul E. Ritchie) who was a young, thin, good looking and very overtly gay man, who admired Blaine greatly back in the day. The other was a fellow called Amanon the Barker, who was short and very slovenly. Both of these guys can be ruled out as the Zodiac. Richey was too young and thin, Amanon was so slovenly he would have been unable to walk down to Lake Berryessa without disappearing in a pool of his own perspiration or having a coronary. I note that some people have previously claimed that Amanon was Gaikowski. Not true! The suggestion is laughable in fact. If anyone has ever seen the covers of "The Barker" comic books, they will know what I am talking about. Blaine was also associated with the one-time mayoral candidate Al Dzuik, who used the name Al Verdada. That guy was a character unto himself! During a time when Blaine was absent from SF, his Golden Calf cult gained momentum and the new leader recruited more followers. They had even started a Church of the Golden Calf. I have no doubt that this part of the story is true. Nobody today seems to know who the followers were, or are perhaps too embarrassed to talk about their involvement today. Blaine claims that it was Richard Gaikowski who ran away with the movement in his absence, and this angered him greatly. Blaine told the members to cease and desist. The movement then folded up. We only have Blaine's word that Gyke became the leader of the movement in his absence. There is no evidence to suggest this. The real members of this bizarre cult and their leader may never be known. Whether the movement ever had any real plans of committing human sacrifices as Blaine claims is also unknown. True to form, Blaine was quick to blame Gyke for suggesting they commit murder in the name of the Golden Calf religion. Originally, it had been Richey who had entertained the idea of taking the Golden Calf on the road and traveling campus to campus, but according to Blaine's account, Richey had returned to the UK before that time. As with many of Blaine's accounts, this cannot be verified, nor can Richey's identity. But the fact is this strange cult really did at one time exist. Oh and in case anyone is wondering, I have already verified that "Richey" was not Richard Gaikowski. Blaine had evidently been accusing his friend Gaikowski of being the Zodiac since at least 1969 (from what I can ascertain). During part of the 80s Blaine was living in a van in Crete in artistic self-exile. He had possibly already been there for a period during the 70s. There had been a large hippy population there on the coast, but this would have been dwindling by the early 1980s. He apparently took his extensive library of books with him. He continued his allegations on his return, not relenting even when Gyke warned him about the dangers of having such delusions (Gyke had himself been hospitalized for similar mental health reasons). Undeterred, Blaine ramped up the allegations in Gyke's old age and then went public with the accusations after Gyke's death. And so his new identity "Goldcatcher" was born. We also cannot forget the account of a satanic torture and sacrifice of alleged victim “Pussycat” in Ed Sander’s “The Family” book about Manson. Sander’s source was (correct me if I am wrong) none other than Blaine, aka Blaine Blaine, Purple Blaine, Blaine T. Blaine, Zakatorious the Pantheist, etc. Making associations and allegations are evidently par for the course for Blaine. But still, we cannot deny the fact that the Golden Calf movement was real. Whether or not it ever actually intended to harm people cannot be proven (as we only have Blaine's word on this at present time), but it is a possibility that cannot be ruled out. We cannot, for instance, dismiss the idea that one of the Golden Calf's followers was a bit kookier than the rest and decided to take the whole idea to a new and more sinister extreme. When you have an environment in which people with pre-existing mental illnesses were taking mind-altering drugs cooked up by some backyard chemist and possibly also drinking alcohol excessively at times, while lacking adequate nutrition and basic hygiene, this could have provided a recipe for disaster in some cases. Manson and his followers are perhaps an extreme example of this. As for Blaine he went on to build a giant paper machet phallus, which he erected (pardon the pun) in the park for all to see. He apparently enlisted the help of a next door neighbour to carry the thing there and stand it up. The press didn't show, a few hippies commented, nobody applauded. The giant phallus fell flat and disappeared soon after.

Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

marie — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 01:09:27 +0000

Sorry all, still catching up, but the info on Blaine being a realtor may have come from this in the Blaine Blaine, Goldcatcher or is it (Z aka tarious) thread under Top Secret suspects:

I forgot to mention that When I read the description of Blaine, that I did some investigating on him, because he fit somewhat the description of my suspect. ( The bad eye, the slight spiting when he talks) Blaine sold a lot of real-estate in the Berkeley/Oakland areas, he was well off at one time. His Middle name is Thurman , he has a high IQ.

I took it as truth, but have found nothing confirming this anywhere unless someone knows of a good source of Real estate licensing from the times. To believe his own article in the Tribe, which he also wrote for besides GT, I don't know how he would've gotten out of prison in 66, become a successful realtor, then decided to work for counterculture papers?

He also wrote Cop Watch for GT, with some pretty cushy insider info, down to the undercover car descriptions from the police including license plates.

What he has devolved to now is almost irrelevant, at the time Z was going on, he knew his sh*t, or was somehow charming enough to get it. So who he knew and his circle of cohorts may be entirely relevant to the Z story. Mental illness could evolve, senility, drug burnout, etc. Many serial killers also refer to their acts in the third person (BTK or Son of Sam I think), so by placing the blame on Gaik, he may be avoiding the real killer, perhaps protecting a friend or relative, or himself. Or his crazy Golden Calf cult following. I do think at one point he had charm, I cannot speak for his current ramblings. A lot of us are more than happy to put it on Ross who was mentally ill. If he has lived longer, there is no telling what he would now be saying or doing. And there, at present, two general yet overlapping forms of serial killers- sociopaths and psychopaths. I think its the sociopath that we would all describe as the weirdo on the fringe of society. A psychopath can make attachments to certain people like a family, and easily blend into normal society. -Marie

Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Red_Ryder — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 06:55:13 +0000

I recall someone saying Blaine was a successful real estate agent at one time in his life. I cannot believe this because Blaine went to Crete in artistic self-exile in the 1980s. He despised the "establishment" and "corporations", so the whole idea of him suddenly "working for the man" seems totally out of place with his artistic idealism.
Yes, that looks like a mismatch. Possible case of mistaken identity: Larry Kane (another figure associated with the Z case) was – supposedly – a real estate agent, and there was some discussion on the boards about this particular detail. Perhaps the poster in question mistook Blaine for Kane (they do rhyme!).

Quite possibly Norse. Okay snooter, I do see your point. Thanks.

Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Norse — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 00:13:42 +0000

I recall someone saying Blaine was a successful real estate agent at one time in his life. I cannot believe this because Blaine went to Crete in artistic self-exile in the 1980s. He despised the "establishment" and "corporations", so the whole idea of him suddenly "working for the man" seems totally out of place with his artistic idealism.

Yes, that looks like a mismatch. Possible case of mistaken identity: Larry Kane (another figure associated with the Z case) was – supposedly – a real estate agent, and there was some discussion on the boards about this particular detail. Perhaps the poster in question mistook Blaine for Kane (they do rhyme!).

Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

snooter — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:32:52 +0000

Im not against blain being of some use...could he have crossed paths with manson, z and the like ilk..well sure..what i would debate is his usefullness hence forth in solving the z case...blain has reportably talked of photos in his possession of gaik circa 69-70..if this is the case he needs to present those photos.