Hanging round the crime scene.... - Zodiac Case General Discussion

RE: Hanging round the crime scene....

marienbad — Sat, 14 Aug 2021 00:08:02 +0000

Posted by: @tahoe27

A thought:
Wonder if the police ever checked if any taxidriver, earlier that evening, drow a man from the Presidio to the area, Mason St /Geary St, where Zodiac later got into Paul Stines taxi?
Meaning... did Zodiac park his car in the Presidio area, got a taxi and went to the Mason St /Geary St area, went to some theater performance? Movie? Musical?, and afte that hailed Paul Stine's cab, asked him to go to Maple St > Cherry St, Shot Stine and went back to his car.

I've thought about that too TF, but think Zodiac would have considered LE might think of that as well. Still would be curious to know if LE did ask other cab drivers or bus drivers about that. I'd like to hope so.

There is a picture on Tom Voigt's site of a bus:

He says Zodiac could have caught a bus: "The most likely scenario is that Zodiac walked south about 7/10 of a mile to Geary, where he caught a bus." (bottom right picture text)

I did wonder about the cab idea, but he could have called for a cab hours earlier and done any number of things, watch a play, watch a movie, visit a friend, and so on.

RE: Hanging round the crime scene....

veroh — Fri, 13 Aug 2021 22:29:39 +0000

I am still thinking that Zodiac's mind is obsessed with the number three, and of course relationships with foreign alphabets. I already went through Irish, Scottish and even Ogham, but now here is a look at Morse code.

All the Morse code letters that are made of three symbols are: D, G, K, O, R, S, U, W.

A simple anagram of these letters would produce family names like Kudrow, and what not, but we could perhaps try combinations of these letters as keys in the unsolved encrypted texts.

Re: Hanging round the crime scene....

veroh — Mon, 14 Jun 2021 19:48:37 +0000

Thank you for that hyperlink. I was not aware of Peter Plichta and his work. He is in the same age group as Zodiac Although not related to Peter Plichta, one of the posters (Frebetta) on your link offers a John Baez page called Klein's Quartic Curve. Seven graphics down, it has a clever heptagon image filled with a system of various multiples of the number three. For those curious about threes, sounds like a pretty interesting read.

Re: Hanging round the crime scene....

Andr3w_0 — Mon, 14 Jun 2021 18:15:42 +0000

w/e regard to the knight's move, one of the geometrical curiosities of the Templar Cross is that it illuminates prime number relationships. https://tombedlamscabinetofcuriosities. ... ty-part-1/

Re: Hanging round the crime scene....

veroh — Mon, 14 Jun 2021 17:41:38 +0000

Maybe Zodiac was a mathematician? Aside from victims' SSNs, license plates, cab number and dates, his brain seems wired on occurrences of the number three in other ways as well. The number three is a special kind of prime number, it is the only prime number that is divisible by three. In math, there are sets of numbers called prime triplets. One of the first prime triplet sets is {13, 17, 19}. Zodiac used 13 symbols in his "My name is -" communication. (Z13) He used 17 symbols in the Z340 rows. He used 19 as a transposition cycle value in Z340. (Which creates the chess knight move effect) That all these numbers related to the number three appearing together in his thought process does not seem random to me.

Re: Hanging round the crime scene....

Hiking — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 16:58:43 +0000

He was walking away from the crime scene, when Fouke noticed him. It was also stated he was going to the park. So he knew the park was his way out. and probably he was not driving that day. He must have known where to go in the park. Because it was dark enough and he couldn,t just ask someone which way is out.

Re: Hanging round the crime scene....

veroh — Sat, 05 Jun 2021 07:20:48 +0000

What follows is yet another one of my ideas related to structures and multiples of the number 3 in Zodiac's communications. First of all, I propose that Zodiac did sign his name in the ciphers, but that not all the ciphers are real ciphers. In particular Z13 and Z32 can be bogus, distractions, hubris. But the Z13 came with a statement that says "My name is -". The idea here is the absence of letters, not their presence. So there is nothing to decipher. But it still enforces the idea that Zodiac's name is somewhere to be found in his communications. So why not look at the unsolved "ebeor i ete me th peti"? It has 18 letters. An officer said that Zodiac looked "welsh". Zodiac uses an elaborate symbol system, one of which looks like a celtic cross. (Not to mention his signature, but that might have come in to play later) The "welsh" or irish alphabet also has 18 letters. "ebeor i ete me th peti" uses 9 letter of this irish alphabet. The remaining unused 9 letters are "acdfglnsu". These would be the absent letters being referred to in Zodiac's "My name is -" statement. Here is a short sample of regular anagrams that use these missing letters: G.S. Duncalf C.F. Dunglas C.S. Fladung C.S. Gandulf C.F. Glandus D.F. Lucas Ng C.G. Saflund C.G. Sandulf D.F. Sungcal C.F.S. Adlung Of course there would be so many more of such anagrams, but only one of them would matter.

Re: Hanging round the crime scene....

Hiking — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 06:28:15 +0000

I don't think Fouke ever commented on Zodiac's nose. Just the hairline and the chin
Not if you go by his original description. Nothing about a hairline or chin until Fouke was very old:

There are a few more clue's in this report. The Estimate of the zodiac,s age tells us he looked like an adult. And even the way he was dressed does not make him look the part of a mugger or the shooter. it,s another reason he didn't get caught. But Fouke did take it serious enough to forward this to the detectives on the zodiac case.

Re: Hanging round the crime scene....

veroh — Mon, 31 May 2021 06:48:14 +0000

That the last name letters add up to 30 is an excellent observation. The Lake Berryessa date, 27/9/69, is also made of parts divisible by 3. Well in the case of the 1969 part, you have to throw away 19, but that too could be a linguistic thing of sorts. I don't mind if others discard whatever data they choose to discard, for example what you call random and I don't. After all, we're all seeking justice here. Any theory has to be tested over and over and over in order to avoid trying to prove preconceived theories, for me better to collect more data. As for Zodiac's choices, I don't believe that they had to be made consciously for them to matter.

Re: Hanging round the crime scene....

Marshall — Mon, 31 May 2021 00:12:56 +0000

The leaf falling in a precise location would be of importance to someone who gets triggered by that event. We don't need to limit the data set just because we are not going to believe a particular result. We could look for other numbers, patterns, colors, textures, materials, shapes, times and dates, activities, whatever, but in Zodiac's case, might as well be numbers and words.

Words that he used, yes, because they may help indicate where he originated from, or his line of work. Zodiac's activities, certainly. These are things Z consciously did, choices he deliberately made. But most of the other things you mention: numbers, colors, textures, shapes.......... looking at them for what purpose? Faraday (7) Jensen (6) Mageau (6) Ferrin (6) Stine (5) all shooting victims, and their last name letters add up to 30. That's divisible by 3, an even ten times. So what? It means absolutely nothing and is a waste of time. For something to be worth looking at, there needs to be a cause and effect rationale that gives significance. Observing random patterns just adds clutter (no offense intended, just saying.)