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(@mr-lowe)
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Thanks Mr. Lowe. I think it’s extremely likely the creator of the video photoshopped those images (removing the Zodiac-added elements from the card). Hard to know for sure without a good source.

yup it looks like it. its not a bad photoshop job, the white around the tree knot is i think the give away.

 
Posted : December 23, 2019 8:26 am
(@mike_r)
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So the jury is out as to whether or not there was an eye in the tree knot to begin with?

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Posted : December 23, 2019 11:37 am
doranchak
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So the jury is out as to whether or not there was an eye in the tree knot to begin with?

I would say it remains unknown until someone can find a true example of the original card.

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : December 23, 2019 1:49 pm
buyerninety
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I agree with doranchak – probably photoshopped.
My reason – I think it likely that the original card had a spider depicted
sitting in the corner of the web.
Can’t remember if this was my original thought or if I saw it on some
other website.

 
Posted : December 23, 2019 1:50 pm
Richard Grinell
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I am certain the front of the card without the pumpkin has been shown on one of the old TV clips, but as yet haven’t found it.

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : December 23, 2019 7:04 pm
doranchak
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Here’s an image of the front without the pumpkin:

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler … LKL5bNzvRo

But I don’t yet know the original source for that photo.

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : December 23, 2019 7:38 pm
(@mr-lowe)
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Here’s an image of the front without the pumpkin:

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler … LKL5bNzvRo

But I don’t yet know the original source for that photo.

that is from the video i posted up the other day? it mentions "and here is the skeleton with the pumkin removed" did LE remove it. it does have the 14 in the hand.
if they did remove it they certainly did it without too much damage, or any damage has been photoshopped.

 
Posted : December 23, 2019 11:39 pm
doranchak
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Graysmith claims:

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : December 23, 2019 11:49 pm
(@margie)
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I wonder what type of paper the pumpkin and skeleton were cut from? Perhaps if it was card stock then it came from other Gibson cards? Or other greeting cards as well?? Does anyone know if they were hand drawn or just cut from something else??

 
Posted : December 24, 2019 2:20 am
(@margie)
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Something that might be interesting …. the company that Graysmith lists is Gibson Card Co. In the 1960’s the company changed it’s name from Gibson Greetings, Inc. to Gibson Greeting CARDS, Inc. I’d LOVE to see the BACK of that card with the companies stamp on it to see which name is listed. Might give us an idea of when Z got his hands on the card. Yes??

 
Posted : December 24, 2019 2:27 am
doranchak
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A few images of the halloween card appear in the newer FBI files that Morf dug up. The pumpkin is not present, and the image of the inside of the card is unusually outlined:

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : December 24, 2019 3:11 pm
(@cragle)
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The problem with the above is that the pumpkin is missing from the FBI image ? I assume they removed it ?

 
Posted : December 24, 2019 4:26 pm
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Inside comparison.

 
Posted : December 24, 2019 4:27 pm
(@cragle)
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2 copies from Newspapers 1/11/1970

 
Posted : December 24, 2019 4:40 pm
(@margie)
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The outlined one is WEIRD. Something I have never seen before. It almost looks like a tracing ….. ??? I can’t imagine how that one came to be. Was there a pic of the back with the companies stamp on it? Or any explanation given for the outlined version?

 
Posted : December 25, 2019 3:54 am
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