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Richard Grinell
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Having visited this site for many years and used many letters and documents secured by diligent researchers on this site, for which I am very grateful, I thought I should place this document regarding the Symbionese Liberation Army the other way. The problem with the S.L.A envelope is that it’s an nth generation reproduction, so the postmark is less than clear, but the FBI files clearly state it was mailed one day before the kidnapping of Patricia Hearst, on February 3rd 1974, from Los Angeles County (somewhere Zodiac had never previously mailed any correspondence from).

The FBI files state :
Qc64 Photocopy of envelope postmarked "U.S. Postal Service, CA 913 PM 3 FEB 1974", bearing the hand printed address "Editor San Francisco Chronicle San Francisco, California".
Qc65 Accompanying photocopy of sheet of paper bearing the hand printed message beginning "Dear Mr. Editor, Did you know that the….."

Just one week after the February 3rd 1974 S.L.A. letter (which began with Dear and ended with a friend), on February 10th 1974, a Symbionese Liberation Army letter was mailed to the Hearst Family or FBI, beginning and ending in exactly the same fashion. So, we are left with two options: [1] Zodiac suddenly appeared after 3 years and just happened to write a letter about the Symbionese Liberation Army, one day before the kidnapping of Patricia Hearst – which would be an amazing coincidence, or [2] The Symbionese Liberation Army wrote the S.L.A letter, one day before the kidnapping.

The February 10th 1974 letter from the Symbionese Liberation Army, should be proof positive, they were also responsible for the February 3rd 1974 letter, mailed just before the kidnapping of Patricia Hearst.

The ‘Hearst Family’ letter may have been authored by Sara Jane Olson (born Kathleen Ann Soliah), who could also be responsible for the S.L.A letter mailed from Los Angeles (913) just a week earlier, on February 3rd 1974. She was closely affiliated to the Symbionese Liberation Army. The "Old Norse" element of the letter drawn from her Norwegian-American ancestry.​

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Posted : April 8, 2019 6:50 pm
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Agree 100%.

I don’t think any of the supposed letters mailed in 1974 were Zodiac. His letter writing campaign ended in March 1971 IMO.

“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer

 
Posted : April 8, 2019 7:01 pm
Richard Grinell
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I concur with that entirely regarding the 1974 letters (the only difference is I would say July 1971).

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Posted : April 8, 2019 7:09 pm
Chaucer
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I concur with that entirely regarding the 1974 letters (the only difference is I would say July 1971).

July, 1971? I’m not familiar with any letters sent then?

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Posted : April 8, 2019 7:52 pm
Richard Grinell
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Monticello Card- July 13th 1971. http://www.zodiackiller.com/SFPDDNA.html

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Posted : April 8, 2019 7:56 pm
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Gotcha. I have to admit, I have never seen the Monticello card.

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Posted : April 8, 2019 8:00 pm
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I can’t find any picture of that Monticello Card!

 
Posted : April 8, 2019 11:07 pm
Richard Grinell
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Its never been released. But here is a run down https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-ne … cello-card

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Posted : April 8, 2019 11:12 pm
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Its never been released. But here is a run down https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-ne … cello-card

Anyone know why, or suspect why, it hasn’t been released?

 
Posted : April 9, 2019 2:49 am
Richard Grinell
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The text is in no way different to all his other communications, so I can only speculate the nature of the image, or they knew he wasn’t the perpetrator of the crime he was claiming or inferring an involvement in.

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Posted : April 9, 2019 3:08 am
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Jacob asked; "Anyone know why, or suspect why, it hasn’t been released?"

A.K. Wilks communicated with the SFPD about it and the upshot of it all was that
it appears the SFPD did not maintain an audit trail for this mail item and it is now
unknown if it is held by some other agency, or is in fact lost.
Why didn’t you simply use the forum search & read the appropriate topic?;
viewtopic.php?f=69&t=1353&start=100
And do you or Chaucer have twitter?

 
Posted : April 9, 2019 8:04 am
Chaucer
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Jacob asked; "Anyone know why, or suspect why, it hasn’t been released?"

And do you or Chaucer have twitter?

No.

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– Geoffrey Chaucer

 
Posted : April 9, 2019 5:47 pm
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I saw the Monticello card back in 1998 at the Hall of Justice in SF. There was nothing to indicate it was from Zodiac.

 
Posted : August 4, 2020 7:16 am
Richard Grinell
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I saw the Monticello card back in 1998 at the Hall of Justice in SF. There was nothing to indicate it was from Zodiac.

I will give you something to consider Tom, that may change your mind. When the Zodiac Killer mailed the Dripping Pen card, it was correctly surmised that the extra two victims Zodiac was claiming in "Aug" were Kathy Snoozy and Debra Furlong. This bumped his victim total from 5 to 7.

Now fast forward to the July 13th 1971 Monticello card, adorned with cryptic pasted clues, akin to the Pines card. It has been believed for many years that the Pines card was a clue to the burial location of Donna Lass. The following Monticello card stated "Near Monticello Shought Victims 21 …… In The Woods Dies April".

Kathy Bilek (another victim of Karl Werner, along with Snoozy & Furlong) was the subject of the Monticello card. She was murdered in the woods, in April, and near Monticello. The author of the Monticello card chose the phrase "near Monticello" because it was a clue, not only to the identity of Kathy Bilek (featured in the Monticello card), but because her namesake, Kathy Snoozy, was buried in the Monticello neighbourhood of San Jose. She was buried in the Oak Hill Funeral Home and Memorial Park in Monticello. The Zodiac Killer was effectively tying the Dripping Pen card claim of the Snoozy & Furlong murders with the Monticello card of Kathy Bilek.

The Zodiac Killer irked by press coverage claiming that Karl Francis Werner was being attributed with two previous murders he had insinuated his involvement in on November 8th 1969, fired of the July 13th 1971 Monticello card, effectively attempting to reclaim his stake in all three murders. This is why, about the same time, the Zodiac Killer mailed another communication in 1971, telling the investigators who were holding Werner to "stop listening to phonys". It arrived shortly after the arrest of Karl Francis Werner was reported in the newspapers by Paul Avery. The article was entitled ‘San Jose Student Held in Slaying of Three Girls’.

The Monticello card was giving us the clue of "Kathy", but more importantly, it was giving us "Monticello", where Kathy Snoozy had been buried in San Jose.

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“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : August 4, 2020 1:45 pm
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Pure unadulterated speculation on my part, but does anyone think the SLA Letter could be a subtle hint that Zodiac joined the SLA or was an SLA sympathizer? This assumes that Zodiac wrote that letter, which is disputed.

 
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