In the past people have said to me, "I don’t have any evidence or research to contribute right now, but if I can ever help you in any way, let me know…". Well, ok, I am putting out some requests for help. Specifically, anyone who is skilled in photoshop or working with images. More skilled than me anyways.
Very briefly, here is what it concerns. Zodiac claimed seven victims in the 11/9/69 letter, then on 12/20/69, he talks about getting a ninth or tenth. So who was number eight?
On November 28, 1969, the three year anniversary of the day the killer of Cheri Jo Bates mailed his "confession" letter, Betsy Aardsma was killed inside a college library. Had this college library been in California, no doubt the killer of Bates and/or Zodiac would have been considered a strong suspect. But it was in Pennsylvania, at Penn State. I think Morf and myself were the first, or among the very first, to explore a possible Z connection to the case. The similarities between the bates murder and the Aardsma murder are numerous – Morf uncovered some of the key evidence in the Aardsma case and I discovered some things as well. Eventually I will lay out all the factors, that is what I want help with, but very briefly they include the following.
Both were beautiful and intelligent college coeds, killed within one day of a major Fall Holiday (Halloween and Thanksgiving) at the end of a month, actually inside of or had just walked outside a campus library, stabbed by a short knife of approximately 1 and 1/2 by 4 inches, brutal attacks, quiet personal life with no clear suspects, the probable killer later sends a taunting letter on an anniversary of the death (6 months and 12 years)and in both cases a cryptic, morbid musing (poem and statement) about death is found on a wood surface attached to a chair (desk and arm), that police believe could be from the killer, signed by initials starting with the letter "R" (RH and RSK). Bates letter was on 6 month anniversary. The Aardsma letter was years later (not sure of year, does anyone know?) mailed on George Washington’s birthday, and said something like "Here is a present for Washington’s Birthday. You never did catch the guy that killed that c–t in the library, did you?" Then we have the Bates poem when mentions "someone" finding a stabbed girl in a" red dress" – and Aardsma was stabbed wearing a red dress, and a man (thought to be the killer) pointed to where she was and said "someone better help that girl".
That’s it in a very abbreviated nutshell. I have a lot more to post on it in general, and on ties my POI has to it specifically, but now you can at least see why I am even looking at a PA case for a possible Z tie, and I need some help before I make my longer posts (one will be a general post in the possible Z victims, one will be a post in a POI section).
Can someone make a side by side of the Aardsma suspect sketch (Nov 1969) and the Zodiac no glasses sketch (Oct 1969) and a side by side of the POI photo (1968) and the Aardsma suspect sketch?
Also, a general question for all: What do you think of the similarity between the Aardsma suspect sketch and the Z no glasses sketch? And the photo? Things that match, things that are similar, things that are different? What do you think about the sketches similarities on basic face structure, short brushcut kinda stacked hair? And the Aardsma sketch and photo, face, hair, also lines under both eyes, puffiness under right eye?
If someone can make side by sides, I think it will be easier to compare. I have good comp of all three side by side, done by a person who hasn’t been active here the last few years, but I would really like to have just side by sides of the Aardsma sketch and Z sketch, and Aardsma sketch and POI photo.
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Bingo!
And I see you also put in a side by side of the Aardsma darker and wavier hair sketch and the Zodiac Lake Berryessa sketch.
Thanks very much.
Can someone create a side by side of the Aardsma murder brush cut suspect sketch and the photograph of my POI? And a side by side of the Zodiac no glasses sketch and the photo of my POI? Thanks very much for anybody who can.
Also, what do people think of the similarities between the Aardsma brush cut suspect sketch and the Zodiac no glasses sketch, and both sketches compared to the photo of my POI? Matches, similarities differences? And in regards to the Aardsma brush cut suspect sketch, Zodiac no glasses sketch and the photo of my POI, do people agree with me that there is redness and lines under both eyes, and a pronounced and notable puffiness and fold under the right eye? Or am I seeing things that aren’t really there?
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I too have this problem. I do not have a computer, only a mobile device, so I can not create these "side by side" photos that I want. Even if I had a computer, I am basically technologically illiterate, so I still couldn’t do it…
Any way, let me know if you are up for it and I can post the photos I wanted side by side.
I too have this problem. I do not have a computer, only a mobile device, so I can not create these "side by side" photos that I want. Even if I had a computer, I am basically technologically illiterate, so I still couldn’t do it…
Any way, let me know if you are up for it and I can post the photos I wanted side by side.
Can anyone help out Zresearch? Let me make a suggestion to you Zresearch. If any of your desired side by sides involve a POI that we have a mutual interest in, I suggest you past a request for help in the section for that POI. I think you will have better chance at finding someone mutually interested and willing to help you.
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Bingo!
And I see you also put in a side by side of the Aardsma darker and wavier hair sketch and the Zodiac Lake Berryessa sketch. Note: The Z LB sketch should be to the right of the Aardsma darker wavier hair sketch, above the Z sketch no glasses, for best comparison purposes.
Thanks very much.
REQUEST FOR FURTHER HELP:
Can someone create a side by side of the Aardsma murder brush cut suspect sketch and the photograph of my POI? And a side by side of the Zodiac no glasses sketch and the photo of my POI? Thanks very much for anybody who can.
REQUEST FOR OPINIONS & THOUGHTS, PRO or CON:
Also, what do people think of the similarities between the Aardsma brush cut suspect sketch and the Zodiac no glasses sketch, and both sketches compared to the photo of my POI? Matches, similarities differences? And in regards to the Aardsma brush cut suspect sketch, Zodiac no glasses sketch and the photo of my POI, do people agree with me that there is redness and lines under both eyes, and a pronounced and notable puffiness and fold under the right eye? Or am I seeing things that aren’t really there?
CROPPED PICTURE
The Zodiac suspect sketch was created based on the October 11, 1969 murder of Paul Stine; the Aardsma brush cut suspect sketch was created based on the Novenber 28, 1969 murder of Betsy Aardsma. So about 7 weeks, so naturally if it was the same person, his hair would be a little longer, which it appears it is, comparing the two sketches, though the style, cut and framing seem very similar IMO.
For that reason, and for the simple reason that after almost two months the suspect may have got his hair trimmed, witness descriptions and/or artist renderings in either or both cases can be off, I cropped the Aardsma brush cut suspect sketch, and marked it as such as cropped.
Could you pair it with the Z sketch no glasses in a side by side?
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Is this what you mean
Is this what you mean
Yes! Great job. My last request, I promise, is for a side by side of the Aardsma Brush Cut Suspect and Zodiac No glasses Sketch, if you agree with any of my reasonings, and it should and will be labeled as cropped. (EDIT ADDED: Looking at what you did, you see the Aardsma brush cut sketch right above the Zodiac sketch, and I no longer think the slight difference in hair length is that noticeable, and to the extent it is, it is explained by the seven week difference in time).
Either way, I thank you very much for your work. It was very helpful and you did things much better than I could have hoped to do, and some things I couldn’t do at all. What is your opinion, if any, pros and cons, on matches, similarities and differences between the sketches to each other, and compared to the photo?
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Best match is the 3 girls description at Berryessa with the Aardsma darker and wavier hair sketch
Best match is the 3 girls description at Berryessa with the Aardsma darker and wavier hair sketch
Great work. As Edward James Olmos said to Harrison Ford at the end of Blade Runner, "You’ve done a man’s job sir!".
I think the brush cut suspect sketch is a very good match to the Zodiac sketch. They both have short brush cut style of hair, with the Aardsma suspect sketch hair being a little longer, as it would after almost 2 months. The basic face structure, framing and jaw seem similar. Both sketches even have lines under the eyes, with the right eye noticeably having more puffiness that looks like a fold, in both.
he Zodiac Lake Berryessa sketch is a pretty good match to the Aardsma darker and wavier hair sketch. I agree with you on that, to an extent. One potential problem is the Lake Berryessa sketch is based on a man the teenage girls saw hanging around and looking at them. It is not known if in fact that man was the Zodiac.
The other issue is the problem arising between the descriptions of the brush cut suspect and adescription of the darker wavier hair suspect. The police thought that one time it could be two different men, but later came to favor the idea that the two descriptions of the seemingly two different men, were in fact possibly different descriptions of the same man.
One avenue they mentioned publicly, and to me as well, is that the darker and wavier hair man could be wearing a wig of some type, to account for the very different description of his hair from the brush cut suspect. The brush cut suspect also had shorter hair, not wavy, and lighter in color.
But all the work you’ve done on the sketches and photos will help me greatly when I eventually make my post on possible Zodiac connections to the Aardsma case and other Midwest college girl and family murders. I will certainly give you credit in each instance for the work you did. Does anyone else have any opinions, Pro or Con, on what they perceive as matches, similarities or differences between the sketches to each other, and the sketches to the photo?
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