The house was on the ranch land. There were several outbuildings on the property.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Ok. Well, then, I am at a loss as to why Marshall Ranch is associated with that exact location. Could they have purchased the Borges ranch in the 70’s?
Anyway, my original thought regarding Marshall ranch (this being before I saw the map), was that Marshall ranch was between Lake Herman and the crime scene. It would be on the same side of the road. Can anyone validate that? Are there photos showing the Marshall ranch location?
Soze
That picture is from a Google street view taken in 2011. I imagine that back in 1968, 43 years prior, the ranch looked a lot better. The Borges family sold the property in the ’70’s and it obviously has fallen into disrepair.
Deb I do apologize, my non serious side has taken over for some unknown reason. But I do have to confess that I may have to excuse myself soon from the site in order to come to terms with the other site webmaster Laughing at Larry Kane. No, i am afraid my mind is made up, I am going to fling myself out of an open window into the clutches of Gravity and allow it to do the rest. I simply see no relevance or point to life anymore because he said, I Quote…’LOL.’ ETA for sobbing and crying like a baby, 7 minutes.
That’s persons opinion means so much to me that my existence will only ever be deplorable at best from here on. I feel so guilty about this because Tahoe is going to be left with nobody to argue with. Tahoe, the disputes and disagreements we had, of which there were many, I must declare that your persistence is admirable, even though I was correct in approx. 100% of these disagreements, (Glad you agree also), I must acknowledge that your a wonderful runner up.
I am now going to proceed to the window and simply jump. The scene is going to be very graphic for any witnesses. Being on the Ground level it’s a good, 3 to 4 foot drop distance and I am even odds to suffer a twisted ankle, stubbed toe, or worse, land on a 125 inch nail….thing.
PS: Is there any plan for Lake Berryessa to be the chosen meeting point for one of the ‘Zodiac Task Force’ meetings? I mean no real reason for my asking in particular I am just a concerned person who would like to know what is the likelihood that someone may drown in the lake in a violently successful accident…..askes my friend, called…erm….Robert F. Kennerly.
When i complete my DB Cooper like leap in around 18 seconds, i do not, i repeat, I do not want that web master to blame himself even though it really is all his fault.
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
Ok. Well, then, I am at a loss as to why Marshall Ranch is associated with that exact location. Could they have purchased the Borges ranch in the 70’s?
Anyway, my original thought regarding Marshall ranch (this being before I saw the map), was that Marshall ranch was between Lake Herman and the crime scene. It would be on the same side of the road. Can anyone validate that? Are there photos showing the Marshall ranch location?
Soze
Hi Soze,
While I can’t with 100% certainty (without a photo of Mr. Marshall standing in front of his house 
) that this is the entrance to the Marshall Ranch, it think it most likely is.
The Marshall Ranch was brought up in association with this case because of Mr. & Mrs. Your and the Raccoon hunters. It is where the hunters parked their truck and the Your couple turned around.
It is mentioned by Mrs. Your: "…They arrived near the scene at the pump station, went down to the bottom of the hill, turned into the Marshall Ranch to make a turn to go back toward Benicia."
http://www.zodiackiller.com/LHRPR11.html
It is also mentioned here the entrance was on the right if coming from the crime scene:
http://www.zodiackiller.com/LHRPR16.html
In the first photo marked in red is (of course) the murder scene. To the left circled in red, what I believe to be the entrance to Marshall Ranch.
The second photo is looking up the hill towards the murder scene (as described, Mr. & Mrs. Your mentioned going down hill to turn around) from the Marshall Ranch entrance. The red area I marked at right is where there is a sign which reads "Benicia City Limit".
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Ok. Well, then, I am at a loss as to why Marshall Ranch is associated with that exact location. Could they have purchased the Borges ranch in the 70’s?
Anyway, my original thought regarding Marshall ranch (this being before I saw the map), was that Marshall ranch was between Lake Herman and the crime scene. It would be on the same side of the road. Can anyone validate that? Are there photos showing the Marshall ranch location?
Soze
I’ve been trying to figure this out for you, Soze. I was curious, too. So far this is what I’ve come up with.
I found a couple of listings for the property giving the acreage and the tax ID #/parcel #.
http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/16311728 … enicia-CA/
http://www.archerficklin.com/PropertyforSale.htm
Then I went to the Solano County Assessor’s site and looked up the parcel # and downloaded a parcel map. Hopefully this will give a better idea where the Marshall Ranch is located. I outlined the property in highlighter and marked Sky Valley Road in red. It looks to me like the Marshall Ranch was across the street from the Borges Ranch and possibly was where Stella Medeiros (Stella Borges’s daughter) lived.
Thanks for the confirmation Seagull. I did have the correct location then in my previous post…good to know.
The Borges Ranch is circled at far left, then the entrance to the Marshall Ranch–just to the right of Lake Herman. You can see Paddy Lake (as shown on your images) at far right.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
YAY! I think we nailed it. But I am wrong about Marshal Ranch being directly across the street from the Borges Ranch…..
It could be pretty darn close though. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Borges land bordered Lake Herman on the west side.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Seagull…..Tahoe…..
The two of you have helped immensely. Thank you so much!
Soze
No problem Soze! It’s good to finally have verification. Glad you asked.
Now…how about the "Dotta Ranch". You know, too bad the hunters left when they did because they for sure would have heard something. They were closer than anyone and left right before the murders.
http://www.zodiackiller.com/LHRPR23.html
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
I started to mention the "Dotta Ranch" but thought, no, lets wait for another day. Does anyone know where that location is, exactly? I cant find a single thing regarding the Dotta ‘s anywhere, except for a woman named Elizabeth who lived in Benicia and references to Dotta’s living in Lassen county some 3 hours north of Lake Tahoe, but in the case of the latter, back in the mid to late 1800’s. Yes. Slightly reminiscent to the peek through the pines but apparently a dead end also. Oh, and when I do a search on Dotta, I also come up with Carol Dotta and, within that link, information regarding Carol Doda. So am I to assume Carol Dotta and Carol Doda are one in the same? Again, I cant find a single thing.
As far as the Dotta ranch of 1968, I read (believe it was Zodiackiller.com) that there was some sort of drug bust going on there. Don’t recall everything about it. Remember reading it back in 2010 and thinking this doesn’t really feel like something that has to do with the other and put it out of my mind. Today, I still don’t see it as having much weight. But it sure would be nice to see its location in comparison to all the other locations, if only for, simple details.
Soze
Soze, this is what I came up with on the Dotta’s.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s … clnk&gl=us
The link says that the ranch was on Sulphur Springs Road. Blue Rock Springs was called White Sulphur Springs until the early 1900’s. Sulphur Springs road was renamed to it’s present name during WWII. I believe the present name is Lake Herman road. The article is not specific about that though!
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s … clnk&gl=us
Looking through the censuses I see that the Borges’s and the Dotta’s are listed consecutively on the 1910 census so they must have lived next door to each other but I’m not sure which family lived closer to Benicia.
There is a creek which runs between Lake Herman and the road behind "the gate" named "Sulpher Springs Creek". Could be the Dotta Ranch was on the other side of the crime scene road. There does appear to old buildings in that location, although that could have been the old pump-house. Looks like an old barn/ranch to me though.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Check these photos out…and the comments beneath it. This guy mentions his family owning "Sky Valley Ranch". Hey, maybe he knows more.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/21667193
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/6365629
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Soze maybe you could contact the Benicia Historical Society and they will have the information.
http://beniciahistoricalsociety.org/
