This knife belonged to Marjorie Cameron. I don’t think the sheath belonged to the small knife. It must have belonged to a larger knife that was not on display. This image is from a museum showing of her art work. She his famous for being the "Scarlet Woman" of the babalon working and for being married to OTO enthusiast and rocket scientist Jack Parsons.

I was thinking more about the blade. Maybe it was an ancient broken knife (like this one pictured) fixed with a home made handle.

BTW – Here are two of her pieces!

I see. Well, that makes more sense, as it did seem a tad non-rustic for Ted…

Anyway, what we know is that Z used a long, thin blade – could have been a bread knife, could have been a bayonet, could have been a lot of things. Pretty much impossible to pin it down, I think.

The knife in the Berryessa attack was described as a long bread knife 12 inches in length and three quarters of an inch wide, hardwood handle, cotton surgical tape wrapped. The dimensions of this knife appeared not suited for this type of attack, particularly without a protective guard. He stabbed both victims at least 16 times in total, more than likely hitting bone and cartilage. The back of a person is extremely dense with muscle and penetrating it requires measurable force. If the description of this knife is correct, it is totally unsuitable for a savage attack such as this and with a blade that long and narrow would have been subject to great flex. Blood would have been cast backwards and whether or not the assailant was wearing gloves would have reduced his grip on the handle. It is common practice that an assailant who repeatedly stabs a victim will often cut themselves with their own knife. My question is, did they retain the victims clothing and latterly check for mixed DNA evidence that excluded Bryan Hartnell and Cecelia Shepard. This could provide the largest quantity of DNA in concentrated form.

Back then? Obviously not.

In recent times? Probably not, as no whisper of it has emerged to my knowledge. The rope/clothesline has supposedly been processed (with no luck).

Any evidence of the sort extant would be worth processing, using modern techniques. What do they have? Shirt pieces (Stine). Said clothesline. Beyond that – who knows. Back then the clothes of all the victims were secured as evidence (as per the reports). But if they had, for instance, CS’s clothes you’d think they would’ve processed them along with the clothesline (which they apparently did not).

A Liston Knife is the type of knife Jack the Ripper used. The older models had wooden handles, wooden case, and a long slender blade, because of it’s use for amputations. It is not a flexible blade either, so it would be a proper stabbing implement.

Liston, wasn’t it?

The Ripper knife, I mean. *

* I don’t think anyone has ever proven what knife he used, but in the world of fiction, at least (From Hell, etc.) he supposedly used a surgical knife, like a Liston.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liston_knife

PS I think it’s very possible that Z was inspired by JTR in several ways, which could easily extend to his choice of blade. However, I don’t know to what extent a particular knife had been suggested at the time of LB.

Norse: Why the change in icons? You don’t look quite so, well, Nordic now.

Oh, nothing in particular – just a whim, I guess. I see other people changing their avatar pics all the time, so I figured I’d join the party.

Liston, wasn’t it?

The Ripper knife, I mean. *

* I don’t think anyone has ever proven what knife he used, but in the world of fiction, at least (From Hell, etc.) he supposedly used a surgical knife, like a Liston.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liston_knife

PS I think it’s very possible that Z was inspired by JTR in several ways, which could easily extend to his choice of blade. However, I don’t know to what extent a particular knife had been suggested at the time of LB.

Liston Knife it is. I see I posted that at 1:39 am so I was a little arm weary and mistyped.

The knife in the Berryessa attack was described as a long bread knife 12 inches in length and three quarters of an inch wide, hardwood handle, cotton surgical tape wrapped

Where does it state that the knife was wrapped in surgical tape?

The knife in the Berryessa attack was described as a long bread knife 12 inches in length and three quarters of an inch wide, hardwood handle, cotton surgical tape wrapped

Where does it state that the knife was wrapped in surgical tape?

http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport24.html

Thanks as always, Tahoe.

Can you (or someone else) clarify if the knife had a 12 inch blade or if the knife (including the handle) was 12 inches?

Thanks as always, Tahoe.

Can you (or someone else) clarify if the knife had a 12 inch blade or if the knife (including the handle) was 12 inches?

The professional opinion in her autopsy documentation was that the weapon (I’m assuming the blade) was anywhere from 9-11" in length and 1" wide–possibly sharpened on both sides.

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler … fullsize=1

Hartnell’s description mentions it being a 12" long blade. Looks like he was quite observant considering the circumstances.

A foot long blade is unusually long. If you include a 4 to 6 inch handle, you’re talking about a 16 to 18 inch weapon. That’s practically a sword. I would think it was more likely that it was a 12" weapon including the handle – perhaps a 6 to 8 inch blade.

Hmmmm….I don’t know. If you take into consideration what Bryan said (while 12" blade could have been misconstrued–many things in this case have been), I think with him stating " long bread knife" and with the docs mention of a "bayonet" style weapon, it seems it was a rather long knife. Some are 20" plus…although I don’t think it was THAT long.