Trav – it leaves us on the Halloween card thread!

Here’s a thing. Car door – complete with its wonderful circular dotted colon – good photo here on Unazod:
http://unazod.com/Wilks_32.htm

Here’s another thing – the envelope that the Riverside Confession Letter arrived in:
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=398

OK then.

Trav – it leaves us on the Halloween card thread!

Correcto Mondeo.

Here’s a thing. Car door – complete with its wonderful circular dotted colon – good photo here on Unazod:
http://unazod.com/Wilks_32.htm

Here’s another thing – the envelope that the Riverside Confession Letter arrived in:
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=398

OK then.

Yup. And that leaves us on the CJB thread, no? .

Touché!

Touché!

aka……I see what we’re saying, without realizing or saying it? lol. Mostly the latter I suspect. BTW did ya like my little play on words?

How does one make a colon on a car door stand out?

Touché!

aka……I see what we’re saying, without realizing or saying it? lol. Mostly the latter I suspect. BTW did ya like my little play on words?

Sure!
(No not really, but I don’t want to appear even more stupid.)

Tahoe – how do you make a colon on a door stand out? More than it already does, you mean? Gee, I don’t know.
It does stand out though – smaller dot on the top than the bottom, just like on the Riverside envelope, check. Made up of little circles, check.
Nope?

Correcto Mondeo

Car door …. eh, eh? lol. As for the other part of my post, I’m going out now to mull over my lack of brevity. As you were

Trav – missed it matey. I thought you knew some foreign stuff that I didn’t….. Good! Mind you I don’t get Ford jokes. Now if it had been about Mercs….

Touché!

aka……I see what we’re saying, without realizing or saying it? lol. Mostly the latter I suspect. BTW did ya like my little play on words?

Sure!
(No not really, but I don’t want to appear even more stupid.)

Tahoe – how do you make a colon on a door stand out? More than it already does, you mean? Gee, I don’t know.
It does stand out though – smaller dot on the top than the bottom, just like on the Riverside envelope, check. Made up of little circles, check.
Nope?

I don’t think the colons prove squat.

What was written would require colons. Tapping a dot with a pen on the car door just wouldn’t do the trick.

Are we to say since they both made circular colons it’s our guy? That is what colon’s are! Of course the car door and the letter colons seem to differ.

This seems a little more up Zodiac’s alley…guess when they faked this door they were thinkin’ the same thing.

Was this a the movie replica?

T., yes, I think it’s a replica, but IDK for sure. Are you going to tell me how you think they differ, door(s) and writing from ’66?
It’s me you’re talking to remember, I don’t intuit very well! (And I don’t get Ford jokes. Not first time anyway.)
We don’t always write the time like that over here btw, with a colon to seperate hours and minute. We often use just one dot. Maybe the US differs?

They are little circles in both places I think, rather than blobs. Door and Riverside envelope. You think that’s what Hollywood thought? That they were supposed to be circles? NOT filled in? Perhaps they were right. Maybe they were good at reproducing stuff for the movie, after all. Hee hee hee.

No, I don’t think the colons prove diddley squat either, except that I think they’re used often and pretty instinctively. Yes. I think he mixed up his handwriting a lot and could do so pretty instinctively and had done so since 1966. Probably before then too, why not? All the techniques used later were strongly hinted at or just plain used right there in ’66 on that one envelope, including the circles, "Belli" writing and cuneiform.
Right?

See, I’ve been thinking he researched his disguise techniques in a book just as I’ve been doing (probably James V.P. Conway’s 1959 "Evidential Documents", it’s a cracking read) – and that he was doing so in 1969 to come up with mechanisms to Fule the Blue Meanies. But he wasn’t. Nope. He knew this stuff long before that. Knew it in 1966.

OK then.

An aside….
The psychologist lady on the Fincher movie "extra bit" looks at the car door and says something about the dots, I think – "They’re little circles!" she probably says (I’m kidding) – and then she says something very like "Hmmm, he really cares about time, doesn’t he?" and pauses, thoughtfully. And has a scratch of her big nose. And everyone stands around very reverentially, looking at this old door, thinking Detective-And-Psychologist deep insightful thoughts.

I was quite impressed by that I must say. I thought "Gee – she’s going to dig up records for all the watchmakers in Northern CA who drive old cars with strange axles and mis-matched tires" when I saw it. I actually thought "and she’s really going to catch help catch him, by crikey!"

Now I think she was just trying to say something that appeared smart and insightful, for the camera. Pointless.
And they probably rehearsed it.

Eh?
How many newspapers wrote about Cecelia and Bryan being stabbed? All of them. I don’t think the fact that some adolescent writer figured out that someone used a knife to do the stabbing is all that compelling….

A simple yet easily overlooked fact. That certainly would cover the ‘kooks’. Where does that then leave the Halloween card on the scale I wonder. Where the actual phrasing was accurate as well … slightly elevated?

Slightly elevated sounds about right to me. It’s not a unique phrase by any stretch, so it’s far from conclusive. But it’s…interesting. They hold one particular phrase back – and that is the phrase used in the HC card. And, just so it’s absolutely clear, they’re not holding back that the killer used a knife at LB – everyone knew that he did – but the simple fact that he actually wrote "by knife" on that door. And then someone wrote "by knife" on the HC card. Facts – undeniable ones. Significant to a certain extent – but, again, far from being conclusive.

See, I’ve been thinking he researched his disguise techniques in a book just as I’ve been doing (probably James V.P. Conway’s 1959 "Evidential Documents", it’s a cracking read) – and that he was doing so in 1969 to come up with mechanisms to Fule the Blue Meanies.

That’s what I’m thinking too.

And 1966 doesn’t necessarily come into it. Colons or not. The latter is…I don’t know. I’m not saying you don’t have a point regarding the colons, smithy – but there aren’t a million ways in which to print a colon on a page, or an envelope, or a car door.

Norse – there ain’t a million ways to write anything – and that includes if you use colors and any or all of the available languages – but at some point you have to look at all these ducks and say "Quack" I think. Unless you don’t want to of course – which is also fine by me.

If we’re going to discuss the Halloween card here – and why wouldn’t we, I suppose, there’s no law against it – Re: "By knife" – yes they kept it back – and yes, they tried to keep it "a secret". I wonder if they succeeded – and I also wonder, since Tahoe found that marvellous comic with all four phrases in – if "by knife" isn’t just one of those wonderful coincidences. It’s on the card, it came from the comic. It’s on the door – OK then.

Lastly, I’m wondering whether the guy who wrote "by knife" didn’t also write the Halloween card. It’s possible, I suppose. I change my mind on that, often.
Just because the envelope’s wrong, the stamps are wrong and the symbol is wrong, doesn’t mean he didn’t write the card, I suppose. Why not?

Re: Conclusive – there ain’t anything conclusive around here. The story just goes on and on. No-one’s caught, no-one’s indicted, no-one’s guilty……

Copied from a thread started by vasa croe. (Trying to keep topics organized into pertinent threads)

I don’t think I have ever seen the reasoning behind the timeline of events on this particular question, but I would guess there is a definitive reason for it….why is it thought that Z wrote on the car door after attacking Cecelia and Bryan? I would think it more likely he would write it prior to allowing him more time to leave the scene instead of stopping to write something. Is there a reason behind this particular timeline that is not public for some reason? Or is it just an assumption that it was written after the attack?