Do you guys think he used it only once?

There’s no way to know for sure, but I think that was the only time, yes.. He didn’t use it in the Blue Rock Springs attack or the Stine murder. It’s unknown if he used it at Lake Herman, but I don’t think so. The time frame was too short, and I think if David had seen a strange guy putting on a weird hood in the middle of the night out there, he would have booked it.

I wonder if he kept it, or if he disposed of it somehow. Can you imagine someone rummaging through their uncle’s attack and finding a bloodstained Zodiac hood at the bottom of a cardboard box from the 70’s?

Don’t forget the big suspect who was making movies with his friends and got in trouble because they made it so realistic somebody called the police on them. If a man like that was in the nuthouse and got involved with those sewing machines in the tailor shops he could’ve very easily made a costume. I’ve always been under the impression that he was filming the whole episode at Lake Berryessa.

The Lake Berryessa attack has the feel of the stage act. People put on costumes when acting. This man didn’t just have a disguise on he had a costume on that disguised him. That is a big difference. This man had on a costume. Was he acting out a movie role in a sick B film? That’s always been my thought and I have posted such over the years. And we know the man in the costume was a big man. That’s what the highway patrolman said in one of the news interviews after the Berryessa attack. They knew it was a big guy who did these murders back in 1968. That is exactly what Brian Hartnell told police when they first spoke with him. The zodiac was a big man.

The Lake Berryessa attack has the feel of the stage act. People put on costumes when acting. This man didn’t just have a disguise on he had a costume on that disguised him. That is a big difference. This man had on a costume. Was he acting out a movie role in a sick B film? That’s always been my thought and I have posted such over the years. And we know the man in the costume was a big man. That’s what the highway patrolman said in one of the news interviews after the Berryessa attack. They knew it was a big guy who did these murders back in 1968. That is exactly what Brian Hartnell told police when they first spoke with him. The zodiac was a big man.

It was 1969. And Hartnell admitted he was poor at judging height.

Typically judgments take conscious thought to develop. After such a traumatic episode shortly his subconscious recorded the height correctly and he threw that out without any forethought. Because he was in shock Hartnell gave a raw description that lie in his subconscious thought. In his first inclination when asked by investigators he said that the culprit was a big man. I would go by the first thing he said. Afterwards things can get blurry with such violent affairs.

"Big" can mean a lot things. It could mean fat, tall, husky, muscular, obese, etc.

If we are talking merely about height, I think both Cecelia and Bryan would have issues defining and accurate height primarily because he was wearing a hood. Still, most descriptions of Zodiac make mention of him being "bulky" and "heavy build" and "large but not obese" and "beefy" and "stocky".

Typically judgments take conscious thought to develop. After such a traumatic episode shortly his subconscious recorded the height correctly and he threw that out without any forethought. Because he was in shock Hartnell gave a raw description that lie in his subconscious thought. In his first inclination when asked by investigators he said that the culprit was a big man. I would go by the first thing he said. Afterwards things can get blurry with such violent affairs.

You’re quoting a park ranger who said the attacker was "six foot or better," apparently based on Hartnell’s description. That’s not Andre the Giant.

In his first inclination when asked by investigators he said that the culprit was a big man.

Please show us where he said that.

In his first inclination when asked by investigators he said that the culprit was a big man.

Please show us where he said that.

I will find the video on youtube. I saw it a couple of years ago. It’s from news coverage at the time. The policemen specifically tells the news reporter interviewing him about the murder that, "He was a big guy".

You’re quoting a park ranger who said the attacker was "a big guy, six foot or better," apparently based on Hartnell’s description.

That’s not Andre the Giant.

In his first inclination when asked by investigators he said that the culprit was a big man.

Please show us where he said that.

Go to Youtube and put this in the search in Youtube. You will see some good interviews and footage of the murders, etc.

The Zodiac Killer – Raw News Footage From 1969

That YouTube video is over an hour long. Somewhere in there the guy says the culprit is a big guy.

That YouTube video is over an hour long. Somewhere in there the guy says the culprit is a big guy.

Yeah, we all know those videos well. Hartnell never said that, it was a park ranger who said it. The police report contains what the ranger spoke to Hartnell about and Hartnell never mentions the Zodiac’s size to the ranger.

I believe you are referring to the interview done with Park Ranger Dennis Land. In that interview he makes several statements that are either outright inventions or complete contradictions of the police reports. For example, he recounts the conversation that Hartnell supposedly had with the killer in which the killer tells them that he is going to kill them, so Bryan tells him to kill him first because he couldn’t bear to see Cecilia suffer. This conversation never ever happened.

The point is that Land was never an eye witness and his statements in this interview are dubious at best.

I believe you are referring to the interview done with Park Ranger Dennis Land. In that interview he makes several statements that are either outright inventions or complete contradictions of the police reports. For example, he recounts the conversation that Hartnell supposedly had with the killer in which the killer tells them that he is going to kill them, so Bryan tells him to kill him first because he couldn’t bear to see Cecilia suffer. This conversation never ever happened.

The point is that Land was never an eye witness and his statements in this interview are dubious at best.

The news clip I refer to was done at the scene with a that guy looked like a sheriff deputy perhaps. I’ll find it on the Internet here.