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Richard Grinell
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I believe you are referring to the interview done with Park Ranger Dennis Land. In that interview he makes several statements that are either outright inventions or complete contradictions of the police reports. For example, he recounts the conversation that Hartnell supposedly had with the killer in which the killer tells them that he is going to kill them, so Bryan tells him to kill him first because he couldn’t bear to see Cecilia suffer. This conversation never ever happened.

The point is that Land was never an eye witness and his statements in this interview are dubious at best.

Hartnell told Ranger William White about his encounter with Zodiac at the crime scene "Please stab me first, I’m chicken. I couldn’t stand to see the girl stabbed". Here is the newspaper report from September 29th 1969.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/112412867 … 874409846/

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : April 14, 2019 7:51 pm
Tahoe27
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I do believe Hartnell did say that wasn’t true though.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : April 14, 2019 8:14 pm
Richard Grinell
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Can you provide the source of where he said that.

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : April 14, 2019 8:18 pm
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Can you provide the source of where he said that.

I found it in minutes. The film is, Hunting the Zodiac Documentary. It is on Youtube. here is a 4:08 short piece on Youtube. The Deputy Sheriff is at 2:19 of the video. He was at Lake Berryessa when they interviewed him.

 
Posted : April 14, 2019 9:20 pm
CuriousCat
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Can you provide the source of where he said that.

I found it in minutes. The film is, Hunting the Zodiac Documentary. It is on Youtube. here is a 4:08 short piece on Youtube. The Deputy Sheriff is at 2:19 of the video. He was at Lake Berryessa when they interviewed him.

He wasn’t a deputy sheriff he was a park ranger and we all know he said it. The point is Hartnell didn’t say it as you claimed.

 
Posted : April 14, 2019 10:27 pm
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Can you provide the source of where he said that.

I found it in minutes. The film is, Hunting the Zodiac Documentary. It is on Youtube. here is a 4:08 short piece on Youtube. The Deputy Sheriff is at 2:19 of the video. He was at Lake Berryessa when they interviewed him.

He wasn’t a deputy sheriff he was a park ranger and we all know he said it. The point is Hartnell didn’t say it as you claimed.

I don’t know anything about what Hartnell said. I have never claimed to. I said the cop in the video said it was a big guy. Perhaps he saw footprints in the dirt and could see that they went deep from the weight of a large man. I don’t know much about the guy that got stabbed and I figured he was in shock anyway.

 
Posted : April 14, 2019 11:54 pm
CuriousCat
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I don’t know anything about what Hartnell said. I have never claimed to.

You claimed Hartnell said it.

From your own posts…

They knew it was a big guy who did these murders back in 1968. That is exactly what Brian Hartnell told police when they first spoke with him. The zodiac was a big man.

Because he was in shock Hartnell gave a raw description that lie in his subconscious thought. In his first inclination when asked by investigators he said that the culprit was a big man. I would go by the first thing he said.

 
Posted : April 15, 2019 12:18 am
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I don’t know anything about what Hartnell said. I have never claimed to.

You claimed Hartnell said it.

From your own posts…

Well he said it too I guess. So we said it and the guy there in the movie said it. What does this mean? I do not know but I bet it means something.

They knew it was a big guy who did these murders back in 1968. That is exactly what Brian Hartnell told police when they first spoke with him. The zodiac was a big man.

Because he was in shock Hartnell gave a raw description that lie in his subconscious thought. In his first inclination when asked by investigators he said that the culprit was a big man. I would go by the first thing he said.

 
Posted : April 15, 2019 12:48 am
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I never went to California until a few years back. I was always reluctant because I knew the zodiac was around. They said on the news for years that the guy was still out there most likely. I read all about the zodiac murders in the early 1970s when they started bringing out books about it. We have to dig for information back then. You young people now have it easy. With these computers is very simple for you to do anything. We you slide rulers. Now everybody push a button they think they know everything.

 
Posted : April 15, 2019 12:54 am
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I never went to California until a few years back. I was always reluctant because I knew the zodiac was around. They said on the news for years that the guy was still out there most likely. I read all about the zodiac murders in the early 1970s when they started bringing out books about it. We have to dig for information back then. You young people now have it easy. With these computers is very simple for you to do anything. We used slide rulers. Now everybody push a button they think they know everything.

 
Posted : April 15, 2019 12:54 am
CuriousCat
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I never went to California until a few years back. I was always reluctant because I knew the zodiac was around. They said on the news for years that the guy was still out there most likely. I read all about the zodiac murders in the early 1970s when they started bringing out books about it. We have to dig for information back then. You young people now have it easy. With these computers is very simple for you to do anything. We you slide rulers. Now everybody push a button they think they know everything.

What the hell are you babbling about? What does any of that have to do with the subject at hand?

 
Posted : April 15, 2019 12:59 am
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I never went to California until a few years back. I was always reluctant because I knew the zodiac was around. They said on the news for years that the guy was still out there most likely. I read all about the zodiac murders in the early 1970s when they started bringing out books about it. We have to dig for information back then. You young people now have it easy. With these computers is very simple for you to do anything. We you slide rulers. Now everybody push a button they think they know everything.

What the hell are you babbling about? What does any of that have to do with the subject at hand?

I’ve been researching the zodiac case before you were born.

 
Posted : April 15, 2019 1:03 am
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I’m much more familiar with this case then 99% of the people.

 
Posted : April 15, 2019 1:04 am
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Because I’ve been studying it for 49 years

 
Posted : April 15, 2019 1:05 am
CuriousCat
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I’ve been researching the zodiac case before you were born.

Umm, no, you haven’t, but whatever.

 
Posted : April 15, 2019 1:29 am
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