Much has been made about the fact that only three people heard Zodiac’s voice:
Nancy Slover
Bryan Hartnell
Dave Slaight
But, this isn’t true. We also know that the PT&T operator who connected Zodiac to Slover also spoke to Zodiac for an indeterminate amount of time. At least, that is what we can surmise despite their being no official documentation.
However, the operator who transferred Zodiac’s call to Dave Slaight after the LB attack ALSO spoke to Zodiac. In fact, it’s documented:
https://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport32.html
The operator states that the "man had refused to give the number when he placed the call". So, it seems likely that Zodiac dialed the operator and asked for the police. Standard procedure at the time called for operators to ask for the nature of the call or emergency and what number the caller was calling from in case of disconnection. Zodiac repeatedly refused to provide the number until the operator relented and passed the call through.
This is not insignificant. It’s possible this woman had a longer interaction on the phone with Zodiac than Slover or Slaight. What insights or clues might she have had?
My question is this: was any attempt made to speak with this operator? Has she ever been identified?
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
Good point but the same rules would apply to this operator as well that prevented the operator who took the Vallejo call from speaking.
If it was PT&T then no comply.
Slaight said that Zodiac was young-sounding, even college age. Slaight might have heard a more honest representation of his speaking voice than Slover did in the strange "good-bye" call.
Pretty remarkable PT&T could no comply even with a murder investigation.
If it was PT&T then no comply.
Yeah, I know that PT&T had ironclad rules about that at the time, but I wonder if it is still possible to identify and locate the operator. I know it’s a longshot, but I was actually able to locate and speak to a woman who work as an operator in Vallejo in 1969 and knew both Betty Main and Mrs. Johnson referred to in the police report. Napa wasn’t that big of a town at the time.
I’ll throw some [redacted] against the wall and see what sticks. I’ll keep you updated.
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
I think the Berryessa attacker was not the same as LH and BRS, some young guy who wanted to fulfill a fantasy, hence the younger voice.
I think the Berryessa attacker was not the same as LH and BRS, some young guy who wanted to fulfill a fantasy, hence the younger voice.
We don’t know the voice was younger.
I think the Berryessa attacker was not the same as LH and BRS, some young guy who wanted to fulfill a fantasy, hence the younger voice.
We don’t know the voice was younger.
We know the descriptions of the LB stabber were that of a man younger than the descriptions of the shooter at PH.
We know the descriptions of the LB stabber were that of a man younger than the descriptions of the shooter at PH.
No, we don’t, not sure why you’d say that.
We know the descriptions of the LB stabber were that of a man younger than the descriptions of the shooter at PH.
No, we don’t, not sure why you’d say that.
LB 28-30 estimate, PH 35-45.
We know the descriptions of the LB stabber were that of a man younger than the descriptions of the shooter at PH.
No, we don’t, not sure why you’d say that.
LB 28-30 estimate, PH 35-45.
Bryan Hartnell described his voice as sounding between 20-30 but no one heard his voice at the Stine scene. The three young women at LB described a younger guy but we don’t know if the guy they saw was Zodiac and there is good reason to think he wasn’t.
Bryan Hartnell described his voice as sounding between 20-30 but no one heard his voice at the Stine scene. The three young women at LB described a younger guy but we don’t know if the guy they saw was Zodiac and there is good reason to think he wasn’t.
The age estimate at PH was based on visual descriptions of Lindsey Robbins (40ish) and Foulke (35-45.) The fact they didn’t need to hear Z’s voice to estimate his age isn’t relevant.
If what the Zodiac says he true he talked to cops after the Stine murder.
Bryan Hartnell described his voice as sounding between 20-30 but no one heard his voice at the Stine scene. The three young women at LB described a younger guy but we don’t know if the guy they saw was Zodiac and there is good reason to think he wasn’t.
The age estimate at PH was based on visual descriptions of Lindsey Robbins (40ish) and Foulke (35-45.) The fact they didn’t need to hear Z’s voice to estimate his age isn’t relevant.
And if they had heard his voice they may have said he sounded like a younger guy. If Hartnell had seen him he might have described him as older. We don’t know and it’s pretty weak evidence that the LB attacker and Stine killer were two different people.
Bryan Hartnell described his voice as sounding between 20-30 but no one heard his voice at the Stine scene. The three young women at LB described a younger guy but we don’t know if the guy they saw was Zodiac and there is good reason to think he wasn’t.
The age estimate at PH was based on visual descriptions of Lindsey Robbins (40ish) and Foulke (35-45.) The fact they didn’t need to hear Z’s voice to estimate his age isn’t relevant.
And if they had heard his voice they may have said he sounded like a younger guy. If Hartnell had seen him he might have described him as older. We don’t know and it’s pretty weak evidence that the LB attacker and Stine killer were two different people.
All I am saying is that all the witness accounts we have, estimate the LB stabber around 30 years of age, and all the PH accounts estimate the Stine shooter about 10 years older.
