I’m not sure whether this is the same person making the claims or not.
And how legitimate they are.
Don’t think it’s the same person. The person referred to in the exchange between Tahoe and Welsh C was someone who claimed, on Facebook, to have been present with DF and BLJ on the night, on the spot. This other guy seems to have been there with his girlfriend (and left) prior to DF/BLJ arriving. Furthermore, the FB claim was made recently (last year), whereas our guy claims to have been in contact with Tom Voigt several years ago.
His story doesn’t ring untrue, to put it like that, he doesn’t make any sensational claims, nor does he seem to be your typical attention seeker – but then again, impossible to say without further details about who the guy is.
If the guy is truthful we could be dealing with either of the Impalas observed by Gasser (at around 9 PM) or by Wesher (roughly one hour later) respectively. Both Gasser and Wesher described the vehicle as "white", but as the guy says, "light" could pass for "white" on a dark and dreary winter’s night (hey, that rhymes).
We moved to California Meadows when I was around 9-years-old, and I grew up in that subdivision. California Meadows is a subdivision located off of hwy 29, behind where AGE was located–heading toward American Canyon/Napa City. During the Christmas holidays, California Meadows was popular because the subdivision transformed into Candy Cane Lane where every house was decorated for the holidays.
Thanks Janie1859
(PS. I know you refer to this person making the claim on fb as ‘the person’ or ‘He/She, They’ etc but are you deciding to be respectful and withhold this persons name, or don’t you know this persons name because they won’t tell you? If a person claims something to be accurate and true and is adamant that they are correct but then refuse to have their name linked with what they are disclosing, I would be highly sceptical.
I know the name, but am not posting it. They are a real person who did live in Vallejo and attended Hogan High. What I don’t know is if their story is legit. It would be one thing if they didn’t come forward for whatever reason when they were young, but let’s hope later in life they decided to tell LE…especially if they were in a white Impala!
I’m not sure whether this is the same person making the claims or not.
And how legitimate they are.mreed_ (signed in using yahoo)
It is a little awkward to reveal this story, but one of the Chevy Impalas spotted at the Lake Herman turnout at 9:00 and 10:00 on the night of December 20, 1968 belonged to my girlfriend’s parents. It was a two door, not a four door and it was a baby blue color — very light. I suppose our car could have been mistaken as white by the witnesses who passed by because it was pitch black out there, but the record mentions two separate sightings of Impala models parked at the turnout that night. I don’t think the police ever definitively concluded that there were two separate vehicles. The witnesses could have been mistaken about the time when they passed the turnout. My guess is that there was only one car parked there during those hours — our Impala. I am certain that I was parked at the Lake Herman turnout with my girlfriend sometime between 9:00 and 11:00 pm on the night of the murders. Too many years have passed to feel confident of the exact hour we arrived though. But we did not go back after we left and we certainly had no intention of returning to that turnout. What a miserable place on such a night!The night of the 20th was spooky and extremely cold, the coldest night of the year. We had to keep the car running and the heater blowing full blast… and we still couldn’t stay warm enough. Our windows completely fogged over from our body condensation which made us feel very uneasy because we had no way of knowing if someone might walk up to our car out of the dark, exactly as happened to Farraday and Jensen. I do remember having that feeling. Of course it was unlikely that someone was out there because they would have to park nearby, and there is no other place to park. I don’t think the Zodiac could have made it down that road in the total darkness without a flashlight. We stayed at the scene of the killings between a half hour and an hour before finally deciding it was just too cold and uncomfortable. We turned the Impala around and drove back to Vallejo to look at the displays of Christmas lights in the California Meadows subdivision.
When I woke the next morning the headlines screamed about the murders at the same spot we were parked and I freaked out, called my girlfriend and told her about it. We were both very frightened and didn’t want to contact the police because our parents would hit the roof finding out that we were at the very place close to the time that Farraday and Jensen were killed. Perhaps by contacting the police we could have helped the investigators better understand what was going on during the hours before the murders. But we were certain we didn’t want to get involved. In our minds, nothing really happened while we were parked at the Lake Herman turnout that could be of help to the case. However, the blackness, the bitter cold and the total darkness did spook us. I do remember that there were at least a couple of cars that passed by during our stay and they went by relatively slowly (but not at a crawl). The occasional car passing gave us a real uneasy feeling. We both readily agreed it would be best to leave, and that probably saved our lives. I suppose it is possible the Zodiac was driving one of the cars that went by but at the time that didn’t occur to us.
During the few times we parked there (before the murders) we usually spent an hour or two enjoying the solitude that Lake Herman Road provided for young lovers. We were both seventeen at the time. I was a senior at one of the local high schools and my girl was a junior at Vallejo High. She knew Farraday. Vallejo really was much more of a small town back then. Our brush with the Zodiac was a traumatic experience for us and we kept it mostly to ourselves. Ironically my girl later unwittingly became a character of minor importance in the Zodiac story but not in any way relating to the killings.
I eventually lost touch with my girlfriend and kept the incident pretty much to myself. I suppose she could add some detail to my recollections that could be helpful, but we put the whole experience behind us and I wouldn’t know where to locate her. I never read a Zodiac book nor saw one of the movies although the case has always remained in my mind. I never really forgot how close we came. And… yes, I eventually told my story to Tom Voit several years ago . He invited me to a San Francisco screening of the movie, Zodiac but I had other commitments. I know it must seem weird to have kept it all under wraps for so many years, but remaining silent about traumatic events is a symptom of PTSD. Finally, I want to assure you that this is not an invented story. It is still real for me after 46 years.
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Elements of suspicion arise about this story’s validity.
Could anyone come up with that?
And so much written after years not coming forward.
And where was this California Meadows subdivision?
I see a Meadows Drive in Vallejo on Google Maps,
but it is not exactly where I’d expect to find a destination as suggested
by one of the other witnesses seeing vehicle matching this description
turning from LH Road along Columbus Drive, toward BRS Park.
Hmm.
I’m having trouble believing there’s anything in this claimant’s post that
couldn’t be acquired from the internet, books, and publicly divulged information over the years.
Nothing unique in there.
In fact, kind of a glory seeking feel to it.
Or something.
Has the guy appeared elsewhere with his story?
I honestly don’t know. It’s probably best to take it with a grain of salt until further information can be gathered. I don’t think it positively smells of glory seeking, as you say, though. He doesn’t make any huge claims – as a way of inserting himself into the Z case, this is pretty low key.
You’re right, of course, that there is nothing unique here – no detail which would seal any deal. The possibly suspicious part would be that he – and his girlfriend – didn’t tell LE about this at the time. But then again, he does say they felt that they didn’t have anything significant to share – and that could very well be true. They didn’t see anything which would dramatically change the landscape – no such claims on his part. As I said, pretty low key for someone who desires to attract attention to himself.
Voigt should know something about this guy, by the way. If you’re a member over at his place, you can always ask him.