morf13, Subject: Newly discovered LHR article from 12/23/68 Sun May 02, 2010 12:59 am
Newly discovered LHR article from 12/23/68 Ukiah Daily Journal, filled with mistakes, or incosistencies. Click the photo to see whole article
morf13, Subject: Re: Newly discovered LHR article from 12/23/68 Sun May 02, 2010 6:45 pm
Mistakes/inacurracies include:
*Found shot at 11:30……the correct time was 11:13-11:14 when they were found
*Shot in head by rifle…..proven that he was shot with a pistol
*States that police questioned WORKMEN on their way to the graveyard shift at Humble Oil…..they only questioned one WORKMAN, James Owen, that was a witness that night (at least in the report, he is the only witness that worked at Humble Oil)
*Jensen was found 11 feet from the car…..wasnt this distance alot further?
tahoe27, Subject: Re: Newly discovered LHR article from 12/23/68 Sun May 02, 2010 6:50 pm
Mistakes/inacurracies include:
*Found shot at 11:30……the correct time was 11:13-11:14 when they were found
*Shot in head by rifle…..proven that he was shot with a pistol
*States that police questioned WORKMEN on their way to the graveyard shift at Humble Oil…..they only questioned one WORKMAN, James Owen, that was a witness that night (at least in the report, he is the only witness that worked at Humble Oil)
*Jensen was found 11 feet from the car…..wasnt this distance alot further?
Page one of the police report stated 10 ft. Lundblad stated much further.
, Subject: Re: Newly discovered LHR article from 12/23/68 Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:18 am
This kind of thing is interesting, so very sad that these kids died at this mans hand…but what makes everyone so sure it was a man?
Nachtsider, Subject: Re: Newly discovered LHR article from 12/23/68 Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:04 am
People saw a man. Unless, of course, ‘he’ was a really butch lesbian.
sandy betts, Subject: Lake Herman rd Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:27 pm
They should have questioned the men at Syar and Harms sift change , it was much closer to the crime scene than Humble oil ? A worker from Syar, would have to also drive past Blue Rock Springs to go home towards Vallejo, after working the swing shift. If the killer lived in Benica, and worked at Syar, then he wouldn’t have to drive past Blue Rock, but would for Lake Herman road killing. To drive past both crime scenes and work in that area, I would have to say he may have worked at Syar. Syar did a lot of construction work, like cement work, they had water trucks, and they had a lab. They had sift work and the shift change fits the time of Lake Herman rd. shooting.
If that is correct, then he would have to leave work a half hr later on July 4th.
VPD would be the ones to do any questioning of the Syar men, because that is in their jurisdiction, Humble is Benica.
bayarea60s, Subject: Syar Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:13 pm
Sandy…This is the first time I’ve heard of Syar being right in the area. I don’t recall anyone from LE stating they ever went over to Syar. Course they very well could have, definetely should have…
sandy betts, Subject: Re: Newly discovered LHR article from 12/23/68 Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:48 pm
Sandy…This is the first time I’ve heard of Syar being right in the area. I don’t recall anyone from LE stating they ever went over to Syar. Course they very well could have, definetely should have…
If they did do that , I haven’t read it in any report.
The poi that I have the picture of , looks as if he works with concrete. There is gray dust on his boots, knees, and his hands in one of the pictures I have.
He looks like a clone to Kane, but younger than Kane. The people who have his picture showing on their Z sites, have never been asked to remove it. You would think who ever this guy is wouldn’t want his picture shown like that ? The only reason I can think of , is that the picture is of the real killer , but the name Kane is not his name. The Hispanic people who have seen the picture, claim he looks to be Hispanic , Italian, perhaps Greek .
I can’t think of any people who have a poi, who have ever been shot at, or harassed by their suspect, as I have . That should mean something ? If you only read parts of my story, it would be hard to connect the dots. But when you read or hear it all, I don’t see how anyone wouldn’t see the big picture ?
I would love to be proven wrong, but no one will even try that ! One person claims that its all just a lie, put won’t show any proof of that to be so. That person claims to tell nothing but the truth, yet I can prove that at least one of his statements is not truthful.
Sorry to go off topic, but I am very frustrated as you can tell by my post. Also someone sent me a link this morning to a site I never go to , because its such a downer. I would rather not be sent the links to this misfits site, but for what ever reason I keep getting them ? I don’t like reading negative posts, that is why I am at this site, all I want is the truth to be told, and the "right people" to know the truth.
zodio, Subject: Re: Newly discovered LHR article from 12/23/68 Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:03 pm
I for one believe you 100% Sandy.
bayarea60s, Subject: Sandy Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:20 pm
You know that case Morf is working on in Pleasanton from ’67, the couple that was murdered with all the kids, either the guy who was murdered, or the gals ex husband also worked in cement….
morf13, Subject: Re: Newly discovered LHR article from 12/23/68 Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:54 pm
You know that case Morf is working on in Pleasanton from ’67, the couple that was murdered with all the kids, either the guy who was murdered, or the gals ex husband also worked in cement….
Wow, I had forgotten that, thanks
sandy betts, Subject: LHR Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:55 am
I for one believe you 100% Sandy.
Thank you so much for letting me know that Zodio ! I found that people who are truthful, are the believers.
The ones who are not truthful , don’t believe or trust others.
I have nothing to gain with a made up story, as hard a story as it is for others to believe, its 100% the truth. Thank you again, it means a lot for me to know that there are good people like you out there.
bayarea60s, Subject: Sandy Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:06 pm
Seems there could be a cement connection on that case Morf has been working on. The one in Pleasanton…
sandy betts, Subject: cement connection Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:21 pm
Seems there could be a cement connection on that case Morf has been working on. The one in Pleasanton…
I will need to read that one , thanks bayarea60’s. There was one Z letter sent from Pleasanton, and near by Pleasanton we have a young girl still missing from San Ramon, Michelle Michailoff ( not sure about that spelling ?).
My poi wanted me to think he was the unsub in that one ? "If" he is reading this post, he needs to send me more proof that it was him, because I doubt very much that he did it in broad day light !
bruce3, Subject: Re: Newly discovered LHR article from 12/23/68 Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:57 pm
It should have included interviewing those workers on the water pipeline being constructed at LHR in 1968/9. As we know Homer Your was connected to this company doing the work and he and his wife were there the night of the murders to examine or check on the pipeline work.
There would be welders/pipefitters and concret,etc., men working the site.
sandy betts, Subject: LHR Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:09 pm
It should have included interviewing those workers on the water pipeline being constructed at LHR in 1968/9. As we know Homer Your was connected to this company doing the work and he and his wife were there the night of the murders to examine or check on the pipeline work.
There would be welders/pipefitters and concret,etc., men working the site.
I wonder if we could find out what the company name was ? They have to have permits, and that is kept for many yrs.
I was told that my poi was working on the new Antioch PD building in the early 90’s.
So I went to where they would keep the permits. I was able to get the names of every contracting co. that worked the job ! It was many pages long .
None of them showed any names that I recognized.
The Contra costa Times news paper, did a report on the new PD building that was almost finished at that time.
On the front page were two men finishing concrete, one looked like my poi, but his head was down. He was smoking, and smoothing out the concrete with both hands at once. Ambidextrous for sure.
Zamantha, Subject: Re: Newly discovered LHR article from 12/23/68 Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:10 am
They should have questioned the men at Syar and Harms sift change , it was much closer to the crime scene than Humble oil ? A worker from Syar, would have to also drive past Blue Rock Springs to go home towards Vallejo, after working the swing shift. If the killer lived in Benica, and worked at Syar, then he wouldn’t have to drive past Blue Rock, but would for Lake Herman road killing. To drive past both crime scenes and work in that area, I would have to say he may have worked at Syar. Syar did a lot of construction work, like cement work, they had water trucks, and they had a lab. They had sift work and the shift change fits the time of Lake Herman rd. shooting.
If that is correct, then he would have to leave work a half hr later on July 4th.
VPD would be the ones to do any questioning of the Syar men, because that is in their jurisdiction, Humble is Benica.
Some information on Syar.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= … trZoI6sN7A
SYAR INDUSTRIES HISTORY
Over seventy years of achievement began in 1938 when C.M. “Tony” Syar started his construction business in California with his new contractor’s license and a 1932 International dump truck. Always looking to the future and working to provide the best for his customers, in the 1940’s Tony began supplying readymix concrete to the construction industry with plants in Vallejo and Fairfield in Solano County. These plants provided high quality building materials for Mare Island Naval Shipyard, Travis Air Force Base and other critical military needs during the war years in addition to various commercial uses.
In the early 1950’s Syar Industries added a major sand and gravel operation and readymix plant in Madison, Yolo County, which provided much of the building material for Monticello Dam and Interstate Highway 80 and served a rapidly expanding construction industry market. During the next two decades, Syar Industries continued to add aggregate production facilities, including the Lake Herman Quarry near Vallejo, to serve its growing base of satisfied customers.
Also during this time, Tony turned his hand towards developing his own projects. The Leisure Town retirement and golf community in Vacaville was planned and developed by Syar in the early 1960’s and is now home to over 2,500 residents. The adjoining Green Tree Golf Club is a 27-hole public golf course and driving range owned and operated by the company.
Syar’s largest commitment to growth came in March 1986, when the company acquired the assets and property of Basalt Rock Company, a division of Dillingham Heavy Construction, Inc. With the addition of the Napa quarry and barge loading facility and a major sand and gravel operation in Healdsburg, Syar’s service area expanded overnight within Napa and Sonoma counties. This acquisition established the company as one of the largest aggregate producers in Northern California.
In more recent years, Syar has continued its growth through the acquisition of the Sacramento area locations for Syar Concrete LLC, a subsidiary of Syar Industries, Inc., that substantially increased the market for Syar’s readymix operations.
tahoe27, Subject: Re: Newly discovered LHR article from 12/23/68 Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:26 am
Zam–I took some stills from their video. http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … light=syar
That’s a great video if you haven’t watched it yet. You’ll like it.
Zamantha, Subject: Re: Newly discovered LHR article from 12/23/68 Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:51 am
Zam–I took some stills from their video. http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … light=syar
That’s a great video if you haven’t watched it yet. You’ll like it.
Yes, I always find Syar most interesting. I have pictures somewhere in this forum that I took from the outside looking in at the Vallejo/Benicia location, when Sandy and I did a drive by.
Here are some pictures taken inside the Napa Syar, which was not opened until the 80’s but still gives an idea of
what goes on inside.
Zamantha, Subject: Re: Newly discovered LHR article from 12/23/68 Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:17 am
On Page 2 there’s a few pictures of the Syar Location LHR, from the outside looking in.
http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … llejo-vibe
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Sandy said:
I would love to be proven wrong, but no one will even try that ! One person claims that its all just a lie, put won’t show any proof of that to be so. That person claims to tell nothing but the truth, yet I can prove that at least one of his statements is not truthful.
I’m not passing judgment. However, I’m a skeptic by nature. This is NOT a personal assessment, because I don’t know Sandy or any of you personally. I perceive at times that I’m somewhat of a persona non grata, or, more likely, a non-factor around these parts, which is totally okay with me. At any rate, I am definitely not a part of the core community, nor have I sought to be. My interest in Zodiac waxes and wanes with other variables in my life (primarily, free time). This particular topic, however, (the development of theories to explain data, the reliability of those data, etc.) is a strong interest of mine. In GENERAL, and WITHOUT any specific focus on Sandy’s statements now or in the past, I’m compelled to say that when someone proffers data and possible explanations for those data, the burden of proof is always on that person. It’s not up to others to disprove it. If you don’t adhere to that very basic method, then nothing really means anything except as a source of interest and entertainment.
That said, I know I’ve made my own share of claims–the old man near Lodi, etc. I fully expect and welcome critical scrutiny of those claims, and no one should ever accept them as fact simply because some aging bald guy with a keyboard said so (in my own defense, I can grow hair, just not on top of my head).
13-Zebra-5, John Frank William eight nine nine.
11-Mary-6, call the station.
Sandy said:
I would love to be proven wrong, but no one will even try that ! One person claims that its all just a lie, put won’t show any proof of that to be so. That person claims to tell nothing but the truth, yet I can prove that at least one of his statements is not truthful.
I’m not passing judgment. However, I’m a skeptic by nature. This is NOT a personal assessment, because I don’t know Sandy or any of you personally. I perceive at times that I’m somewhat of a persona non grata, or, more likely, a non-factor around these parts, which is totally okay with me. At any rate, I am definitely not a part of the core community, nor have I sought to be. My interest in Zodiac waxes and wanes with other variables in my life (primarily, free time). This particular topic, however, (the development of theories to explain data, the reliability of those data, etc.) is a strong interest of mine. In GENERAL, and WITHOUT any specific focus on Sandy’s statements now or in the past, I’m compelled to say that when someone proffers data and possible explanations for those data, the burden of proof is always on that person. It’s not up to others to disprove it. If you don’t adhere to that very basic method, then nothing really means anything except as a source of interest and entertainment.
That said, I know I’ve made my own share of claims–the old man near Lodi, etc. I fully expect and welcome critical scrutiny of those claims, and no one should ever accept them as fact simply because some aging bald guy with a keyboard said so (in my own defense, I can grow hair, just not on top of my head).
You’re welcome around these here parts. 
Please never think you aren’t a part of the "community"…we’re all just people posting about a subject we all are interested in. And no matter if frequent or infrequent…we enjoy everyone’s contributions.
I do agree with your statement. The burden does fall on the person offering their proof. It’s truly up to them. Even with it, people will still place judgement–that’s the way it goes. Unless someone offered a photograph of Zodiac in the act, there will always be questions and doubt…and that is a good thing until he is caught!
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
(in my own defense, I can grow hair, just not on top of my head).
Spectacular it is too. 
very cool.
“I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.“
13Zebra5,
Your Lodi POI is interesting, keep digging! And we love your photos, when you post them!
Zincerely, Zam*
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Thank you, all. 
13-Zebra-5, John Frank William eight nine nine.
11-Mary-6, call the station.
Great article, and thanks for sharing!
If you read ALL the articles from that first week, Lundblad entertained reporters with lots of tragically incorrect theories.
Ms Betts: Are you sure the Syar plant was working that night? Refineries have to work 24 hours a day seven days a week because it takes days to turn one off and turn it back on. But cement plants don’t have to work 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Maybe police didn’t questioning their workers because no one was working that late that night.
Also, unless one of their workers was the murderer, there was nothing stopping any of them from going to the police and telling them what if anything they saw.
It’s really a nuisance that the police diagrams have 28ft written on them ("Zodiac’s a great shot and used his clever torch-gun to sight in on his victim") when the other police report (and the newspapers) clearly reported at the time that the distance was 10 / 11 ft from the Rambler to Bettilou’s body, isn’t it?
http://www.zodiackiller.com/LHRPR1.html
http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/LHR_-_C … sketch.jpg
His shooting her so many times "so accurately" comes into perspective, don’t it? Pah! "Silhouetted against the night sky" eh?
When he first started firing at her she must have been mere feet away, huh?
And she wasn’t running with any hope of escape, either. She was running because David had just been shot in the head and she knew full well what her fate was going to be. Bummer.
I don’t think it takes a special skill to shoot someone running away from you in a straight line. She wasn’t zigging and zagging back and forth.
No doubt someone who uses a gun to kill people has experience with one, but it doesn’t necessarily make them an expert marksman.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
You’re right T., but it’s not just that it was straight – it’s that they were so CLOSE to each other.
I was not a very good pistol shot – but even I could have hit a human-size target between 3 and 11 feet away, no problem. Ick.
You’re right T., but it’s not just that it was straight – it’s that they were so CLOSE to each other.
I was not a very good pistol shot – but even I could have hit a human-size target between 3 and 11 feet away, no problem. Ick.
Agreed.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
