I believe it’s extremely possible the Zodiac Killer, based on his movements after the July 4th 1969 Blue Rock Springs Park shooting and his possible misdirection in the August 4th 1969 ‘Debut of Zodiac’ letter, where he stated "The man who told police that my car was brown was a negro about 40-45 rather shabbly dressed. I was in this phone booth having some fun with the Vallejo cop when he was walking by. When I hung the phone up the damn thing began to ring & that drew his attention to me + my car," that by drawing our attention to the description of the male negro, and the fact he had spotted the Zodiac’s brown car, the killer was in fact disguising the reality, that he had actually walked to the payphone at Springs and Tuolumne rather than driven, thereby safeguarding his identity.
I know there is a brief discussion about the Knights of Pythias under a section about Barry Jean Wysling and that the Pythian Castle was on 2618 Sonoma Boulevard in Vallejo in respect to David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen, but there was actually a parcel of land at 1020 Alabama Street, only 13-14 minutes walking distance from the payphone, occupied by The Knights of Pythias Organization and The Navy City Elks Lodge, the latter of which concerns The Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks, which is a fraternal order founded in 1868, with veteran services provided by the society. The Elks pledge is "So long as there are veterans, the Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks will never forget them."
If the Zodiac Killer lived in walking distance from the payphone on the north side, these are two relevant fraternal orders he may be familiar with, and although many don’t believe the Zodiac Killer knew Faraday or Jensen, we cannot entirely rule it out. They met at the Pythian Castle and page 53 of the police report states "Mrs Faraday stated she did not know Betty Lou that she and David had only been going together for a short time, she had never met Betty Lou. She stated she did not know of any enemies David may have had. She stated that on Friday night at 7.10 pm David drove his sister Debbie to a meeting of the Rainbow Girls at the Pythian Castle on Sonoma Boulevard, and David came back home at 7.20 pm and left again at 7.30 pm. Responding officer talked to Debbie Faraday, WFJ 16 years, sister of David. She relates the following David told her on the afternoon of Friday 12/20/68 that he was going out to Lake Herman Road that night because a bunch of the kids were going out there that night."
If the killer did live in this area, frequented or worked at either 2618 Sonoma Boulevard, 1020 Alabama Street or the Navy City Elks Lodge, then it places him close to the payphone, possibly his residence, and within the circle of Faraday and Jensen. The above passage certainly indicates that the couple’s journey to Lake Herman Road was no secret.
Cristian sent me the Illustrated catalogue and price list; Knights of Pythias lodge paraphernalia and costumes for all three ranks. https://archive.org/details/illustratedcatal00lill
In it is this:
If the killer of CJB lived close to the Riverside City College, on the south side, so he could "stalk his girls" and possibly having familiarity with the college campus grounds and the two empty houses, I would like to cross check names from addresses by the Riverside campus with the names I have acquired from the north side of the payphone in 1969. Deb was a big help with the Vallejo 1969 Polk Directory. Any help with a directory from 1966, regarding the streets on the south side of the campus would be greatly appreciated.
Some discussion here: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/zodiack … t3873.html
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
When Sandy, Tracers & myself checked it out in Vallejo in 2011.
http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=346&u=14983612#
http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=346&u=14983612#
Zam*
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If Zodiac ever joined a Z forum, I’m sure he would have been banned for not following forum rules. Zam’s/Quote
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MODERATOR
This is RED HOT.
I am glad you found the links to Eureka also.
All these groups are networked across California even down to Riverside.
For example, Riverside and the Pythian Sisters. 
Here is an example of a table of events in one day with a mix of all sorts of clubs, circles, lodges and veterans. 
In Napa they also invited the general public. So some of these functions are open invitations. 
These groups are mostly totally benign though. They just do good things for the community, hold pageants, dances, dinners, celebrations and signing up new members… oh and playing BRIDGE. You gotta know to play that one.
This is it. You have him here. He is connected to all that stuff and this is how he is seeing them.
What I am interested in are the religions of the victims. It seems to me he could possibly be targeting them for being from different denominations. Like a couple from two different denominations just might upset him greatly along with other facets. So I keep this open in my mind. There is a religious tie-in with all this stuff.
A detective who knew this case and was a member of these lodges could do some serious unearthing IMO.
This is it. You have him. He is here. Well done.
www.zodiachalloweencard.com has a 400 paged book for free containing the super solution with an overarching explanation of the cards and more.
Has anyone looked into a possible connection to the symbol in Zam’s photo and the Zodiac ciphers?…a possible key?….just a thought….
What I am interested in are the religions of the victims. It seems to me he could possibly be targeting them for being from different denominations. Like a couple from two different denominations just might upset him greatly along with other facets. So I keep this open in my mind. There is a religious tie-in with all this stuff.
Betty Lou Jensen’s family followed Christian Science, a small religious sect who believe medicine can be replaced with prayer. If he attended the same Christian Science services as her it would have been easy to find him.
If the "slaves in the afterlife" stuff was a true delusional belief then the strangeness of Christian Science might have appealed to him.
Although non-canonical, Cheri Jo Bates attended Church the morning of the day she was murdered. Catholic Church from what I remember. St. Catherine.
www.zodiachalloweencard.com has a 400 paged book for free containing the super solution with an overarching explanation of the cards and more.
Here is something interesting, not directly related to the topic, but more religious overtones and possible insights.
Another non-canonical is Carolyn Davis from the SRHMs. Strychnine poisoning. Witchcraft symbol next to body.
Maybe this could be interpreted to mean her killer thought she was a witch? I think he probably told her to prove she wasn’t a witch and a Christian she had to drink poison? She died so she was a witch in his mind? Body was dumped and witchcraft symbol left beside her? I can see that sort of delusion develop in victim blaming. The odd thing is the same year this homicide happened there was a major court case about some Christians that got poisoned drinking Strychnine and handling dangerous snakes. In Santa Rosa that same year a woman was on trial for sending sweets laced with strychnine to a lawyer’s secretary and found guilty the following year. They found her typewriter was used to type the label on the package. Also in San Francisco someone was going around leaving food laced with strychnine on the streets poisoning dogs there. It was isolated to two big streets on one block though. Reminds me of how dogs were targeted by EARONS. Kill off the animals so they don’t disturb nightly stalking efforts or wear dog repellent which he seems to have gone with.
Now read this about the Witch-Killers. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/04/28 … 420350400/
Note the following: Time, location and Herb Caen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_B … zan_Carson
No doubt they must have been looked into for the SRHMs. They murdered 3 people between 1981 and 1983.
www.zodiachalloweencard.com has a 400 paged book for free containing the super solution with an overarching explanation of the cards and more.
Witchcraft symbol ? Look at it and look at the crime scene. How many bodies were Initially found ?
Think about it, you have two bodies in one site and right next to it you have another site with one body in it, then look at the supposed witchcraft symbol.
Witchcraft symbol ? Look at it and look at the crime scene. How many bodies were Initially found ?
Think about it, you have two bodies in one site and right next to it you have another site with one body in it, then look at the supposed witchcraft symbol.
I have actually got a question about that. Why do you think investigators did a presser calling it a Witchcraft symbol if they already knew of two similar incidents nearby?
Also I saw this other presser with this image without 2 stones and looks different.
I think your interpretation is good by the way.
www.zodiachalloweencard.com has a 400 paged book for free containing the super solution with an overarching explanation of the cards and more.
I can place roll-on embroidery instructions and sewing class for senior citizens on the same day of events as "Lodges", "Orders" and "Fellowships".
… before the Lake Berryessa attack on September 27 this was printed in the press on the 24th for activities on the 25th.
A Celtic cross design with the bottom line shorted to be the same as the others = Zodiac cross. It wouldn’t be too hard for him to remove, snip away, that part.
We have seen him use the Celtic Cross in the Halloween card.
www.zodiachalloweencard.com has a 400 paged book for free containing the super solution with an overarching explanation of the cards and more.
Although non-canonical, Cheri Jo Bates attended Church the morning of the day she was murdered. Catholic Church from what I remember. St. Catherine.
Yep, Thank you curiouscat, I see this is a common mistake, Id assume it is the surname Bates that causes the confusion as it is the same name as one of the SDA founders.
This is interesting, as a devout Catholic I can say it’s very weird and unusual for a Seventh Day Adventist (like Cheri) to ever attend a Catholic Church.
I’m pretty sure CJB was Catholic. You might be thinking of Cecelia Shepard, she was Seventh Day Adventist.
Although non-canonical, Cheri Jo Bates attended Church the morning of the day she was murdered. Catholic Church from what I remember. St. Catherine.
This is interesting….
Non-canonical means non-canonical Zodiac victim in this context. She is a suspected Zodiac victim but non-canonical. Canon would be LHR, BRS, LB and PH. You are maybe thinking Church Canon, which is something else. I should have been clearer as to the context.
If the Zodiac is an organized killer who plans his attacks well in advance with victim selection, then he would know things about them, like their religion and if they attend etc. Obviously couples in lover’s lane activities would be seen as something happening outside of marriage or even with married people, just not with each other. 
The Zodiac seems to have issues with this. Probably a big conflict between wanting what he is seeing, not being able to get it himself and also despising it at the same time. Like the way many serial killers who target prostitutes have the same problem. They hate them, but still use sex workers. It makes them feel dirty and a good way to have them unfold in an interview is to point out that they have the dirt still on them, especially the blood. The emotional response should be significant if they have these issues.
www.zodiachalloweencard.com has a 400 paged book for free containing the super solution with an overarching explanation of the cards and more.
Although non-canonical, Cheri Jo Bates attended Church the morning of the day she was murdered. Catholic Church from what I remember. St. Catherine.
This is interesting….
Non-canonical means non-canonical Zodiac victim in this context. She is a suspected Zodiac victim but non-canonical. Canon would be LHR, BRS, LB and PH. You are maybe thinking Church Canon, which is something else. I should have been clearer as to the context.
If the Zodiac is an organized killer who plans his attacks well in advance with victim selection, then he would know things about them, like their religion and if they attend etc. Obviously couples in lover’s lane activities would be seen as something happening outside of marriage or even with married people, just not with each other.
The Zodiac seems to have issues with this. Probably a big conflict between wanting what he is seeing, not being able to get it himself and also despising it at the same time. Like the way many serial killers who target prostitutes have the same problem. They hate them, but still use sex workers. It makes them feel dirty and a good way to have them unfold in an interview is to point out that they have the dirt still on them, especially the blood. The emotional response should be significant if they have these issues.
I strongly doubt Cheri’s demise came about from her interaction or connection with the Catholic community. That sort of Terrorism you speak of is most often found in (but not exclusively) protestant movements and for Cecilia SDA’s would be the lighter off shoot variation of Catholicism.
If the Zodiac is a Catholic then he would be the typical Lukewarm type meaning not driven by his religion.
One last thing, people attending church in 1960’s America especially youth was probably more common than not, so these victims connections to churches and faith should probably be taken with a grain of salt as there is no religious pattern or theme to be found.
