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Thoes fools shall meet killer, ask Lumdblad!

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Welsh Chappie
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The title of this thread is a line from Graysmith’s attempted decoding of the still officially un-deciphered 340 cipher. This is just one of two topics I want to bring up on this thread as a point of discussion. Firstly, the threads title. I won’t copy R.Gs entire deciphered message as it’s posted elsewhere on other threads but if anyone reading hasn’t seen it and wishes to then I do have it wrote out and saved on my comp so ill happily post if requested to.

So, for the first couple of weeks after reading this comment that Robert alleges is contained within one line of enciphered message I assumed that because it had a request following the claim, that being ‘Please ask ‘Lundblad’ after the claim that those fools met killer, I was looking at it assuming the author is referring to Police because he asks readers to go ahead and ask Lundblad the Detective. But I’m not sure so much now and started to wonder whether the fools referred to by Zodiac that met him are actually the victims, not the responders. If that is what the comment is meant to imply, then it opens up another, and that is ‘Why would he ask us to seek confirmation off Det. Lundblad that Zodiac and Dave and Bettye met him there willingly, how would Lundblad be privy to that information?" This then leads me to the second point that, while I know it been discussed previously, think its just too important to overlook.

The second point is one that could seem to lend credibility to the remark of "Those fools shall meet Killer" and it is how the crime and the scene seemed to have happened and how it was found.
We know at Blue Rock, Z is not interested in speaking to either occupant of his selected victim vehicle, he simply can’t wait to get the festivities underway by gleefully blasting round after round into their car. Lake B, different in the sense the weapon he used was a knife this time but the question I want to raise and see what other members opinion on is this: Why would David have got out of his vehicle, walked to the rear, turned toward the Zodiac’s alleged location and vehicle and end up around the passenger side next to where Bettye was seated? Whether David decided to exit and approach the Zodiac via his own free will and choice or if Zodiac forced him out via offering Dave one bullet crashing into the vehicle shattering the glass as incentive to get out is not really going to be of absolute importance because why would either Male at the scene want to approach the other? We know Zodiac refused to go near Bryan at Lake B until Cecelia had bound and incapacitated him and even when Zodiac checked Bryans restraints Bryan noticed and asked Zodiac why he was shaking so much. Why is Faraday walking around his rambler and approaching the Zodiac if he has no idea who this person is and if David has been encouraged to emerge from the car with a led projectile, why is he walking directly around to the man who’s already blasted a bullet into his car?

Make’s no sense to me unless Dave and his murderer knew each other and maybe even planned to meet there that night for whatever the reason may be? Was the intent to Kidnap Bettye Lou after dispatching her male companion? Did the offender attempt to get into the rambler and drive off and that’s when Bettye tried to make a dash for her very life? Remember, if we are to believe Owens account, one shot was all he heard, so if that is accurate, then it would appear David was taken out and Bettye did not instantly run because 6 more shots would have to be heard to ring out then

Ideas?

EDIT & PS: Think I should elaborate ever so slightly on that last question in case there are those who are not aware. I happen to suspect that Zodiac was not in a vehicle that night and was out there on foot and just needed to add that because I can already hear the replies: "What, Zodiac parked up, shot Dave, and decided to abandon his own car in the gated gravel entrance and take off with his captive in David’s rambler?"
Lol. No. I can’t prove it, nor is there any great evidence other than the usual circumstantial things like no cops responding remember passing vehicle driving away from area and that deep boot inprint fund just the other side of the gate behind the fence in some foliage.

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Posted : May 13, 2014 10:39 pm
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I realize your point isn’t necessarily contingent on this being a correct solution to the 340 cipher, WC, and I won’t make you type out the whole "solution" but I do think Graysmith’s solution as a whole needs to be considered here. I’ve seen many folks pick out portions of Graysmith’s solution to analyze and expand upon but the reality is that it’s very easy to find a solution for a small piece of the cipher such as this. Graysmith attempted to plug in certain key names and phrases and then work around them to make the rest of the solution fit. Not a terrible approach but it simply didn’t work, IMHO, because the rest of the solution is most gibberish even with various manipulation and even this small, contrived portion includes spelling errors and tortured syntax (I know… Z must have been on drugs because his cipher solution is intoxicated as well…).

Z never mentioned a victim by name (as "Zodiac", at least) and the one mention of a detective by name comes in a very questionable letter. I’m just honestly not crazy about drawing any conclusions from a cipher solution that is almost certainly wrong and contrived.

 
Posted : May 14, 2014 11:01 am
Welsh Chappie
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"I realize your point isn’t necessarily contingent on this being a correct solution to the 340 cipher, WC, and I won’t make you type out the whole "solution"

No that’s A good point and I did intend to state that in the post when writing it as I was aware, as you pointed out, that some may take this post as literal. This post should be read from a perspective of "If we assume, just for the sake of this thread, that the claim "Those Fools shall meet Killer. Please ask Lundblad" is the correct message found in the 340…"

The post is written as if it’s factual and I intended to state it was not but simply written from a hypothetical perspective of ‘Lets assume the Cipher does conceal this message and R.G is spot on….." etc.

"and I won’t make you type out the whole solution"

Entro entro entro, we live in a technological 21st Century and as such, I have a wonderful ‘cheat’ to get around that, it’s called ‘Copy & Paste.’ Copy and his sidekick paste will duplicate an entire essay for you if you ask them, and they can do it instantly. Was trying to work out how his magic trick was done for the first 5 years of ‘Windows 95’ computer ownership. :-)

But seriously, thank you for pointing that out and reminding me to add what I originally meant to in the first place.

"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.

 
Posted : May 14, 2014 4:37 pm
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