I would doubt that. If there were any witnesses who could, say for example, give a description of the offenders vehicle, the make or model, maybe colour etc, it would havve been made public in all likelyhood. The only thing comes to mind regarding your question is the episode of ‘True crime with Aphro Jones – The Zodiac Killer’. In that episode they interview a witness in the area of the Blue Rock Shooting, but not LHR. I am not aware of any witnesses at or on, even near Lake H Rd at or around the time the killer struck. In fact, Russel Butterbach said that they discovered through investigation that there was activity on Lake Herman in one form or another, except for a six minute period where no members of the public were on the road, nor were there people on foot close to the scene. He states it was within this six minute time frame that the assialent struck.

Well these kids had to have something to do with the LHR murders and why Lundblad was protecting there identity. I guess Lundblad never gave them up and why they don’t show up in the police reports.

Well these kids had to have something to do with the LHR murders and why Lundblad was protecting there identity. I guess Lundblad never gave them up and why they don’t show up in the police reports.

It could also be that they could not offer anything useful to investigators. If they said they heard something that sounded like a fire cracker but don’t know around what time, can’t recall much detail as had consumed alcohol etc. They could have also themselves refused to give a statement, and if told they must by police could simply claim to remember seeing and hearing nothing. Who knows?

Well these kids had to have something to do with the LHR murders and why Lundblad was protecting there identity. I guess Lundblad never gave them up and why they don’t show up in the police reports.

It could also be that they could not offer anything useful to investigators. If they said they heard something that sounded like a fire cracker but don’t know around what time, can’t recall much detail as had consumed alcohol etc. They could have also themselves refused to give a statement, and if told they must by police could simply claim to remember seeing and hearing nothing. Who knows?

True who knows but to me seems like they had something important to add to the case or know reason to protect them.

Well there was an eight year old witness at the Presidio Heights attack who not only saw a suspect, but named him as someone he thought he recognized. This info has never been released.

Well there was an eight year old witness at the Presidio Heights attack who not only saw a suspect, but named him as someone he thought he recognized. This info has never been released.

But he is at least mentioned in reports. These kids are not mentioned anywhere I know of on the LHR reports. This is the first I heard of them reading Lafferty’s book.

Well he was mention vaguely as been a witness to the Stine murder and that he existed. These kids were never mention as even exiting in the LHR reports.

I think I remember in Graysmith’s YB that when David and Betty first got to LHR there was a few other vehicles parked there. Maybe these kids Lundblad was protecting was in one of those vehicles.

Well there was an eight year old witness at the Presidio Heights attack who not only saw a suspect, but named him as someone he thought he recognized. This info has never been released.

But he is at least mentioned in reports. These kids are not mentioned anywhere I know of on the LHR reports. This is the first I heard of them reading Lafferty’s book.

Thats why I would doubt the truth behind the claim. Its coming from a 2nd hand sorce almost half a century after the event. No report mentions such witnesses in official documentation.

Well there was an eight year old witness at the Presidio Heights attack who not only saw a suspect, but named him as someone he thought he recognized. This info has never been released.

But he is at least mentioned in reports. These kids are not mentioned anywhere I know of on the LHR reports. This is the first I heard of them reading Lafferty’s book.

Thats why I would doubt the truth behind the claim. Its coming from a 2nd hand sorce almost half a century after the event. No report mentions such witnesses in official documentation.

So is Lafferty exaggerating or just being confused since of all that time ? Both are possible but what if he is right on this. I would like to know who the kids are.

Oh by the way I recommend the book and only been 50 some pages in it and is like 450 pages. I would pay $20 bucks for it cause it is very interesting and worth it but wouldn’t pay $50 for any book.

Oh by the way I recommend the book and only been 50 some pages in it and is like 450 pages. I would pay $20 bucks for it cause it is very interesting and worth it but wouldn’t pay $50 for any book.

I’ve just finished reading Michael Kellehers collaboration with David Van Nuys, ‘This is The Zodiac Speaking’. Well written book that the author seems to go out of his way to avoid naming anyone as their ‘most likely’. In fact, the book makes a passing reference to Arthur Allen but thats it as far as the suspects go. I bought the book off Amazon for around £17, which translates about 32 U.S $. But I agree that $50 for a book (£25) is rather expensive. But then again if you know its something that you will really enjoy reading (as I did when trying to find and read Kellehers book) it’s worth it paying $100 if thats what the asking price was I suppose.
I don’t agree with certain assumptions made by Van Nuys in his analysis but I can see why he has made them.

I must be honest though regarding L.L book (Think is titled ‘Badge of Silence isn’t it?), I really know very little about the author or the basics of the claims he makes. Well, other than he claims to have had an encounter back in the 60’s with a man he now says is Zodiac. I have no idea what, if any, evidence he has, or claims to have, to support his books claims. But, I make it a rule of mine to consider evryones opinions and claims because the one you may dismiss out of hand could just be the one thats closest to the truth. I am fully aware that the certainty I have, the absolute belief I have in my conviction that Kane was and is Zodiac, I am fully aware that other people feel exactly the same about their own suspect. It seems there are those that are unable to find belief and conviction while retaining the ability to hear other peoples opinions. This site, thankfully, isn’t one of them in which I have encountered people such as that. But to go bk to LL’s Book finally…

Am I correct in saying that L.L alleges a conspiracy within Law Enforcement to essentially pervert the course of justice? Immediately I am asking Didn’t L.L wait untill he had retired to come foreward with this info that, I can only assume, he had long ago and therefore is himself part of the conspiracy of silence? Lol. Or am I mistaken?

WC I always try to keep a open mind and still do so and think most here do. Yep WC think most here think on the same lines and why this site differs from the rest and is special. Yes you almost have it right, LL book is called The Silent Badge. His suspect was one of the top ones back in the day and Graysmith even dedicated a whole chapter to him as a top Zodiac suspect in his Yellow Book.

Graysmith referred to him as a synonym Andrew Todd Walker and Lafferty refers to his last name synonym Tucker as well.. He has passed now and his real name is William Grant. Lafferty was maybe the first one to investigate him and most of what Graysmith wrote was LL’s police work on Grant.

Grant is a interesting suspect and was known to stalk women and may even stalked Ferrin. Not saying he is Zodiac but he may have played a rule in the whole case even though he wasn’t Z!

Back on topic would like to hear anything about these kids Lundblad was protecting.

The only official person to have claimed to have witnessed a second vehicle in the pull in section of road and parked fairly close to David’s Rambler was the witness James Owen. I mean when you think about it logically, why would young children be out on Lake Herman Road between 11 – 11:30pm? What’s out there for them to do? Did they walk there? What position or vantage point did they have when the crimes is said to have occured? I cant see it being true at all, unless they have good reason to conceal the fact for some reason. I mean I don’t know what they would likely have seen and witnessed anyway because according to Owens when he drove by the trun in and vehicles there were no signs of activity and no people anywhere to be seen. So Dave’s and ‘Zodiac’ vehicles are there, but the murderer and his victims are conspicious in their absense. Owen’s statements about what he witnessed that evening don’t tally either. First he says Zodiac (or the 2nd vehicle that he is adamant was there when he passed) parked 10 ft away from David’s rambler. A few days later in a second statement, this distance had now become 4 ft. Anyway, the fact that no official agency has ever willing made reference to these alleged witnesses, nor has anything been leaked about them, coupled with the earlier question of Why would they be out on LHR in the first place at almost midnight, I am highly skeptical about the existance of any such witnesses. But, ifyou told me 10 years ago that Zodiac had not last been spotted on Maple heading into the Presidio but, in fact, was last seen heading merrily down someones pathway toward their front door I would have probably be just a skeptical as I am regarding this claim lol.