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Possible GSK Victim: Dorothy Jane Scott Abducted in Irvine

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AK Wilks
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Fair points. But again, I would point to the large differences in the MO, victims, tactics,type of crimes, lethality and area of operations in his various guises as VR, EAR and ONS. He did do at least two abductions, in the Snelling case you noted, and also in one case as the EAR.

The GSK did do taunting and cruel phone calls to some victims, and after Manuela Witthuhn was murdered, he did make taunting and cruel phone calls to her husband, David Witthuhn. That matches the phone calls made to Scott’s parents.

There are indeed some differences, but the points I would emphasize, besides this similarity of Dorothy Jane Scott to both Bonnie and the confirmed victims of GSK, is that this happens right in the time, 1980, where he is active in Orange County, and after the Scott murder the GSK would apparently see Manuela Witthuhn at an Irvine Hospital and then kill her hours later.

The other main point I would emphasize is that Scott was abducted in May 1980 from the same UC Irvine Hospital that two confirmed GSK victims, Keith and Patrice Harrington, had worked at, Patrice in 1979 and Keith up to the time of his death in August 1980.

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Posted : May 28, 2018 4:26 am
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Ok, you’re beginning to convince me here, I’m willing to admit. I was unaware that earons had called Manuela Witthuhn’s husband; he would have been well aware she didn’t survive the attack so we can be certain he wanted to taunt the surviving partner. That to me is a big enough difference from ‘just’ calling the victims, but you’ve shown I was wrong about that.
I also came across another case today from the UK that highlighted to me why i could be wrong by trying to categorise the differing circumstances so rigidly. It’s 2 separate cases that have been linked in the last few years by DNA and there was no prior clue for the police to even consider them related. The differences are as plain as the Scott abduction to the canonical earons cases:
Victim 1: 22yr old woman, attacked in her own home, throat cut and strangled (can’t find any mention of sexual assault).
Victim 2: 16yr old girl, attacked in an alleyway, bludgeoned and raped.
On the surface these are two quite different crimes, thank god for DNA. Here’s the detail if anyone is interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Eve_Stratford_and_Lynne_Weedon

The UC Irvine hospital link is very appealing here, I wonder if we’ll ever find out the link. I suppose it’s somewhere a man can loiter for quite some time, and on a regular basis, without looking suspicious whilst he checks out the potential targets.

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Posted : May 31, 2018 5:31 pm
AK Wilks
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Ok, you’re beginning to convince me here, I’m willing to admit. I was unaware that earons had called Manuela Witthuhn’s husband; he would have been well aware she didn’t survive the attack so we can be certain he wanted to taunt the surviving partner. That to me is a big enough difference from ‘just’ calling the victims, but you’ve shown I was wrong about that.
I also came across another case today from the UK that highlighted to me why i could be wrong by trying to categorise the differing circumstances so rigidly. It’s 2 separate cases that have been linked in the last few years by DNA and there was no prior clue for the police to even consider them related. The differences are as plain as the Scott abduction to the canonical earons cases:
Victim 1: 22yr old woman, attacked in her own home, throat cut and strangled (can’t find any mention of sexual assault).
Victim 2: 16yr old girl, attacked in an alleyway, bludgeoned and raped.
On the surface these are two quite different crimes, thank god for DNA. Here’s the detail if anyone is interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Eve_Stratford_and_Lynne_Weedon

The UC Irvine hospital link is very appealing here, I wonder if we’ll ever find out the link. I suppose it’s somewhere a man can loiter for quite some time, and on a regular basis, without looking suspicious whilst he checks out the potential targets.

Yes with the case you cited and even within the GSK case itself (VR, EAR, ONS) we are learning that MO is not as rigid as once thought.

I also agree with your last statement that I bolded and enlarged. If you read the book Hunting a Predator by SCSD Detective Richard Shelby (Ret.), he goes over several EAR cases were he felt the evidence showed EAR identified multiple victims, be they patients, relatives of patients or employees, at certain hospitals, then would follow them home, stalk them and eventually attack them. I think hospitals or are exactly the kind of place a man can sit for hours and not attract attention. He can blend in with other lone males who are sitting there for hours waiting for their wifes or kids.


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Posted : June 1, 2018 4:09 am
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I can now report that based on information I sent to them, reflecting the work of myself, Morf, and Traveller1st, a Orange County law enforcement organization is now looking at Joseph James DeAngelo, the Golden Sate Killer, as a person of interest in the unsolved abduction and murder of Dorothy Jane Scott.
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Compare the many years of phone calls received by the survivor of Manuella Witthuhn , her husband David, to the many years of phone calls received by the survivors of Dorothy Jane Scott, her parents.

After the May 1980 abduction of Dorothy Jane Scott from UC Irvine Hospital, viscous and cruel phone calls were made to her survivors, her parents, on a weekly basis. The caller never stayed on the line long enough for the calls to be traced (JJD, a former police officer, would know about this). The caller would ask "Is Dorothy home", other times he would say he killed her, taunting the family. He once said he "cut her up in bits, so no one will ever find her". After years, the calls stopped, only to resume when her charred remains were found next to the charred remains of a dog in 1984.



This pattern of years of harassing, frightening phone calls appeared in another case of a woman who also was last seen alive at an Orange County hospital just 6 miles away. After the February 1981 murder of Manuela Witthuhn, her survivor, her husband David, received years of taunting and abusive phone calls.



Other similarities between the murder of Dorothy Jane Scott and the confirmed crimes of the Golden State Killer include:

In the case of Beth Snelling, the GSK, then called the Visalia Ransacker, did an abduction, as here in the DJS case. And in one case as the EAR, the GSK also did an abduction.

Like Manuela Witthuhn, the last place the victim is seen alive is at an Orange County hospital. In both the MW and DJS cases, the victim is killed hours after being last seen at a hospital.

DJS was abducted from the same UC Irvine hospital where GSK victims Keith and Patrice Harrington worked.

Prior to the DJS crime, there is stalking, peeping and phone calls, sometimes seen in EAR/ONS/GSK cases.

DJS buried with burned remains of a dog, GSK had history of abuse and murder of dogs

GSK contacted a newspaper, DJS killer contacted a newspaper

It fits into the GSK timeline and a shift of activities to Orange County:

12/30/79 Offerman & Manning killed, Santa Barbara County

3/13/80 Lyman & Charlene Smith killed, Ventura County

5/28/80 Scott abducted and killed, Orange County

8/19/80 Keith & Patrice Harrington killed, Orange County

2/5/81 Manuela Witthuhn killed, Orange County

7/27/81 Sanchez & Domingo killed, Santa Barbara County

5/4/86 Janelle Cruz killed, Orange County

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