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jacob
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Tom Voigt has unearthed a voice recording of Kane from the 1940s: https://youtu.be/hlYS-TeO6ww

He has a very strong New York accent, which does not correspond well with witness descriptions of Zodiac’s voice.

 
Posted : June 23, 2020 12:55 am
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Yeah very distinctive accent. I think Kane is highly unlikely to have been the Zodiac.

 
Posted : June 23, 2020 5:37 pm
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I didn’t unearth it but I did put it on YouTube :)

 
Posted : June 23, 2020 10:30 pm
jacob
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Yeah very distinctive accent. I think Kane is highly unlikely to have been the Zodiac.

Kane was one of my favourite suspects for a while, but all witnesses described Zodiac’s accent as very standard American. Rules him out for me.

 
Posted : June 24, 2020 2:23 am
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Yeah very distinctive accent. I think Kane is highly unlikely to have been the Zodiac.

Kane was one of my favourite suspects for a while, but all witnesses described Zodiac’s accent as very standard American. Rules him out for me.

I would have to agree.

For context, this is a phonograph recording that he made for his girlfriend (Eileen Barton – see http://eileenbarton.com/) while he was serving in the Navy. He was 19 years old at the time. The record and accompanying documents were "unearthed" by Eileen Barton researcher/collector Rex Strother. I shared it on my blog a couple of months ago and I would assume that’s where Tom found it. I’ve attached images of the packaging as well as the letter that accompanied the recording to the bottom of this post – I think you’ll agree that Kane’s handwriting bears little (i.e., no) resemblance to that of the Zodiac.

He made another, slightly longer recording, which you can listen to here: https://lawrencekane.wordpress.com/#voice-recording-no-2. Both recording discs bear the date of June 06, 1943 – the date provided in the description of the youtube video linked above ("late 1940s") is incorrect.

Edit 07/24/20: just uploaded the full recording to youtube –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F-eliL9EvE










https://lawrencekane.wordpress.com

 
Posted : June 24, 2020 5:44 am
ophion1031
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tmills, at the very bottom of your post there is a registration card where Larry put both Klein and Kaye as his last name. Any idea why he would do that?

A few minutes ago on a toilet not very far, far away….

 
Posted : December 14, 2020 2:28 pm
 egg
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The handwriting being all capitalized isn’t the most useful but it does latch Zodiac’s, as in the letters are essentially written like he dies stroke-wise. Usually the P disqualifies most suspects, he’s one of the few who writes them like the Zodiac.

His writing style itself sure is reminiscent of the Zodiac, with the + instead of and, the misspelling, the striking out, and he outright writes zodiac :D The whole thing sounds like Zodiac’s "Little List" letter.

All of this dating to before his head injury.

Amazing finds

edit: BTW 5 Graves to Altuna sounds like a play on 5 Graves to Cairo, but he likely meant to write Altoona https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altoona
"Galitzen Here I Come" is likely supposed to be Gallitzin, it’s a place in Pennsylvania. There is an Altoona in Pennsylvania too. From what he’s saying he was recording the audio in Gallitzin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallitzin,_Pennsylvania

 
Posted : January 11, 2021 12:56 pm
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Kane was a petty criminal who got busted A LOT. And that was before his brain was injured.

 
Posted : January 12, 2021 2:32 am
jacob
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It’s a reach, but it’s possible that Kane’s brain injuries caused foreign accent syndrome – a drastic change in speaking voice. Was a New York accent mentioned in later descriptions of Kane?

 
Posted : January 12, 2021 4:36 am
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It’s a reach, but it’s possible that Kane’s brain injuries caused foreign accent syndrome – a drastic change in speaking voice. Was a New York accent mentioned in later descriptions of Kane?

In real life, people don’t get better at stuff after their brain is injured. That’s for the movies and comics. Kane sucked as a criminal before he injured his brain. The notion he could have left the hospital as a master criminal is not based in reality.

 
Posted : January 12, 2021 4:42 am
ophion1031
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It’s a reach, but it’s possible that Kane’s brain injuries caused foreign accent syndrome – a drastic change in speaking voice. Was a New York accent mentioned in later descriptions of Kane?

In real life, people don’t get better at stuff after their brain is injured. That’s for the movies and comics. Kane sucked as a criminal before he injured his brain. The notion he could have left the hospital as a master criminal is not based in reality.

Don’t be so sure of that, Thomas. I knew a guy that had a serious brain injury from a car accident in the 90’s, and he is still one of the sharpest people that I have ever met, even now as an old timer. Brain injuries are a tricky thing, and from what I can tell, it seemed that Kane seemed to get along just fine in life after the injury.

A few minutes ago on a toilet not very far, far away….

 
Posted : March 4, 2021 3:30 pm
Sam
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Yup. It all depends on which part of the brain had taken damage.

“Nobody called him Arthur.”

 
Posted : March 4, 2021 4:02 pm
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Well according to the Hines report, Kane’s brain injury caused him to lose the ability to control himself. Doesn’t sound like Zodiac to me.

People who entertain the idea that Kane was the Zodiac are a fascinating breed. Pondering about brain injuries, pondering about accents. I have an idea instead. Why don’t you track down the FULL Hines report — which has been kept from me — and find out exactly how Harvey Hines was able to:

*Place Kane around the corner from Donna’s work station when she disappeared. because as far as I have been able to tell, Kane didn’t work at the Sahara Tahoe until after Donna had disappeared

*Find out exactly how Hines was able to place Kane living in a motel in San Francisco at the time Zodiac got into Stine’s cab two blocks away

Because people constantly use those two examples as evidence Kane could be the Zodiac, yet nobody has been able to double check the two claims (both originating with Harvey Hines)…other than the three or so individuals who have the full report and not only won’t share it, they won’t even answer a couple of questions.

"Welsh Chappie" is one of those individuals.

 
Posted : March 4, 2021 9:40 pm
Richard Grinell
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You have had this question answered to you several times, but refuse to open your ears. I will inform you one more time and hopefully you will understand (but I doubt it). Destry Hines gave Welsh Chappie the full Hines report, who then passed it on to me, with the condition that it wasn’t released onto the internet. I asked Destry again in 2019 if it was possible to release it, but he did not want it released yet. I got permission to release two small portions, which I released immediately, including an alternative version of the Pines Card, which you mistakenly claimed was faked on your website by a member of law enforcement. The Pines Card was never a hoax created by law enforcement or an investigator, but a second Pines Card was manufactured openly by Harvey Hines to parallel the original. Hines stated "Then using a copy of Zodiac’s card, I cut out the phrases he had pasted on his card. Using these phrases, I overpasted them on the copy of the Sierra Club picture. It was striking similar to the original card".

When somebody (in this case, Destry Hines) sends you an email with the full report, with confidence that you will honour his wishes not to release it, then you abide by those wishes, not betray them. If you sent me confidential information via email and requested that I not publish it on the internet, I would comply. You may betray peoples trust, but I don’t. This is the real reason that the full Hines report has not been released, but seemingly you fail to grasp this simple concept. But don’t let me stop you plugging your ears once again.

The report contains nothing pertinent to how Hines discovered where Kane lived, or how and what period of time he worked at the Lake Tahoe Casino, so these questions would not be answered. So you aren’t missing out on any pertinent information regarding these details. If Destry gave Welsh Chappie or I permission to release the Hines report, I would release it immediately. I believe you already know that, because I’ve told you before. Do you really believe I’m holding it back to be spiteful? I know you like digging the knife into me at every opportunity, but even for you, I would release the Harvey Hines report if I got permission from Destry. Is this clear enough, or do you want to repeat your above post yet again, 3 years down the line.

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : March 4, 2021 10:21 pm
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Ah yes. The Lawrence Kane magical brain injury. That does whatever is needed to make him look guilty. Changes his voice. Changes his handwriting. Probably changed his fingerprints, too.

 
Posted : March 5, 2021 3:59 am
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