My Bad!
Just retread this thread and didn’t realize Mike commented days ago….
Long weekends……. sigh.

thanks BF..i had little doubt CB’s VW had to have come thru X’s dealership empire..for trivia buffs when the VW bus westy’s were in high demand and low supply X created the "Riveria" top camper bus..useless i know but kinda interestings if your a VW lover..interesting replies which are appreciated

_was there not a foreign type sports car seen leaving LHR?????seems i remember speculation of a possible MG sighting at one of the crime scenes?????

Yes – there was a guy mentioned somewhere (he was questioned at some point as a witness, I think). He was out test driving his girlfriend’s car – which was, supposedly, a high end sports car. I don’t recall the details, though.

Is this what you’re referring to? http://www.zodiackiller.com/LHRPR10.html

Hi-

Yes, you’re talking about Crow. He was driving a "sports car" that night and it somehow may have attracted Z’s attention. Problem is he is a very slippery character and won’t help out by sharing details about that car and its origins, who his passenger was, etc. If his story has been so badly mangled by Les and he wants to set the record straight why doesn’t he allow people to interview his passenger and see if she backs up his story? Then Z’s attention was drawn to Hartnell’s VW at LB. Guess who is associated with both "sports cars" and VW’s?

Mike

If you take into consideration (via the link to the Crow interview above) that Crow mentions "they were both caucasians"…and the car was blue, and and that some guys were reported in blue cars leaving LHR (see link below), I’d say chances are pretty good the car that followed Crow wasn’t Zodiac.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/LHRPR52.html

Is this what you’re referring to? http://www.zodiackiller.com/LHRPR10.html

Sorry I reply here, but is it the william crow, lawyer, in Vallejo?

https://www.google.at/search?q=william+ … 3&ie=UTF-8

QT

Is this what you’re referring to? http://www.zodiackiller.com/LHRPR10.html

Sorry I reply here, but is it the william crow, lawyer, in Vallejo?

https://www.google.at/search?q=william+ … 3&ie=UTF-8

QT

via MikeR. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=542

going out on a weak limb here..other guy in MG was brother of X or could possibly be X himself..conspiracy theories run amok if both or especially the latter..no doubt the MG was connected thru dealership of X as are the VW’s.

any chance we are all wrong on the MG and in fact it was an Allard?…if it was in fact an allard that goes back to the early 50’s and was a very early and exclusive import by X…ive tossed around the not an MG but an allard as the mystery car..yea if it was an allard that opens up even more theory pointing directly at X and his brother

was anybody of interest at X;s funeral?..was he cremated?

Re: Ford Zodiac – I believe that’s just ever so slightly just a wee tiny bit tenuous. And stupid. The guy was importing sports cars like Jags, Austin Healey’s (later Jensens), MGB’s and so on, from Europe into the US. Would he be re-importing a UK-spec AMERICAN car into the US? I suspect not. Even if it weren’t a dreadful POS, and quite obviously NOT a sportscar.

Never mind that. The big thing for me is that I’ve never been able to figure out why this guy was out walking his dog, unless he was, uh, out walking his dog.

Did he shoot Stine in the head, go into his house, change out of his (inevitably bloodstained) clothes, put his dog on a lead, and come back onto the street?
Is that what we are suggesting happened?
Or did he have the dog in the cab with him, and the kids didn’t see it? (And was the dog blood stained, too then, while they stood around on the street?)
I don’t get it.

By the way, if I was out walking my dog, in my very up-town area, and a bunch of police cars came squealing up with their lights flashing, I might stand in a driveway and look around to see what was going on, personally. I’m quite nosey. I’d want to tell them "No, I haven’t seen anything" too, just to fulfill my public duty. And of course, because I’d be entirely innocent of any wrong-doing.

I do like that he wrote to the newspapers though, including the Chronicle. That I like.

Let’s play out the timeframe. According to Google Maps, it takes 4 minutes to walk from Washington & Cherry and 3636 Jackson Street. Once KQ is at his house, he has to travel to his bedroom, change clothes, wash his hands thoroughly, change clothes, hide the bloody clothes, gun and pieces of Stine’s shirt, grab a leash, get his dog, and walk back outside. How long would all this take? 20-30 minutes is my best estimate. I don’t know if there is time for that.

Hi-

I beat you to that punch. The FBI said it would not do "research" and un-redact the name of any individual on a form but if you look at that document, you see from the length of the redaction of the birth dates that the man mentioned by the 8 year old was born in a month with a very long name. Like December. That would not fit X.

As for whether or not the kids knew him on the night of October 11, 1969, my money is on no. LR stated that he only met X when he did not wear glasses anymore. That was in the 1970s when he lost the glasses, grew out his hair and let his sideburns grow in. That is why LR nearly lost his lunch when he saw a photo of him with horn rimmed glasses and short hair. He asked us if we had shown him someone else’s photo by mistake, LOL. AP said X was not the man in the back seat of the squad car that night, so that whole argument that used to be marshaled to destroy my credibility is irrelevant: RR and her father apparently did not view X in the car. It was rumored to me that the other brother did know the family before 1969 but that was second hand, apocryphal info. And he is not talking. I’ve tried…

Mike

I don’t think you appreciate how much of a problem this really is. If he had a good look at the suspect, he should be able to recognize the facial features. Does anyone get fooled re Clark Kent and Superman because of glasses and hair style? No! This leads to the conclusion that he got a superficial look at the suspect as a white guy with a crew cut and glasses. He didn’t actually discern facial features. A good defense attorney excoriates him on cross examination. And…he still didn’t actually definitively ID Qvale in 2003!

One more point, being a filthy rich businessmen is not an argument againt him being a Zodiac. In fact it’s the exact opposite. I think you almost have to be sociopathic to get to that level of success on your own.

Being a successful businessman requires the ability to connect with people to make deals. It requires a high EQ. This is the opposite of a sociopath. Yes, someone like Trump is most certainly a sociopath. But, Qvale was a salesperson, not a real estate mogul. He needed to connect with people to sell his products. I don’t know that your characterization if accurate or fair.

If the SFPD knew that Qvale were Zodiac, I really don’t see why they shouldn’t come clean.

Declaring the Zodiac case solved would be a major coup.

If SFPD knew Qvale killed Stine, that would not mean that they had evidence that Qvale committed the other murders. There are only two pieces of evidence that could incriminate Qvale in the Stine murder: 1) the Robbins’ identification and 2) fingerprints at the scene. LR didn’t ID Qvale in 2003. I would like to know what the other two kids thought of Qvale. I wonder if DOD has his fingerprints. I don’t know if DOD kept fingerprints in the 40s. They did in the 90s when I was in the military.

Hi-

You raise an interesting point. Let’s say that Zodiac is someone named "ABC." ABC weighs 160 lbs. Let’s say that he decides to "descise" himself by making himself look bigger. Maybe it is to fool people or maybe it is part of his psychopathology to look more intimidating/threatening. At LB, he bulks up under his bib. In PH, he simply puts on a couple of sweaters under his parka to give that "barrel chested" look.

If the police catch him at LB, his ass is grass anyway because of the costume. He’d also have a hard time explaining why he was so bulked up on a very hot day. But in PH, he cannot do that. He cannot disguise his face in PH because if he is accosted by the police (which he was at least once that night), he’d have a hard time coming up with an innocent explanation for a "Groucho Marx" type fake nose, glasses and moustache. So he bulks up to make himself look bigger. If he gets caught, it is 50 degrees out and he can say he doesn’t take the cold well. Who can disprove that story? And if Z couldn’t disguise his face in PH, what else could he have disguised other than his weight? (He said he normally looked "entirle different.")

Meanwhile, here we are 50 years later and he’d be breathing a huge sigh of relief that people are saying, "Z was 200 or more pounds, so someone 160 can be ruled out." Just as someone is only as old as they appear, they are also only as heavy as they wish to make themselves appear.

Mike

Mageau saw Z in a t-shirt though and placed him at 190lbs to 200lbs. How do you explain that?