Watching the This is the Zodiac Speaking last night, one thing that does interest me ….. in his 911 call, the Zodiac correctly identified a Karmann-Ghia. I assume that was a rare car.. How many people in California could identify a Karmann-Ghia in 1969?

That’s another bombshell in Mike R’s book, the connection Qvale could have had to that specific Karmann Ghia. That’s got to be one of the craziest zynch entries yet if the man is innocent of any connection to Z.

Hi James,

Thanks for the kind words. The other car related thing is the British car at LHR that Z may have chased. Because we have never heard from the girl involved in that incident, we still don’t know if she bought that car in SF and if so, at what dealership. But we do know that she was apparently living in SF at the time even though she was from Napa.

Mike

Watching the This is the Zodiac Speaking last night, one thing that does interest me ….. in his 911 call, the Zodiac correctly identified a Karmann-Ghia. I assume that was a rare car.. How many people in California could identify a Karmann-Ghia in 1969?

That’s another bombshell in Mike R’s book, the connection Qvale could have had to that specific Karmann Ghia. That’s got to be one of the craziest zynch entries yet if the man is innocent of any connection to Z.

Wikipedia: Karmann Ghia
The Type 14 was marketed as a practical and stylish 2+2 rather than as a true sports car. As they shared engines, the Type 14’s engine displacement grew concurrently with the Type 1 (Beetle), ultimately arriving at a displacement of 1584 cc, producing 61 PS (45 kW; 60 hp).

Production doubled soon after the Karmann Ghia’s introduction,[17] becoming the car most imported into the U.S.[17]

The 1966 Karmann Ghia was featured in Hot Rod Magazine in 1966. Because it was the most imported car into the United States.

Because the Karmann Ghia is a convertible it is rational to believe that many of these vehicles were sold in California. That’s the land of the convertible. So any involvement with these type of automobiles must be ruled to be coincidence because of the shear number of these cars in the Golden State in the 1960s.

Still, if Z was KQ and he roamed the backroads of the San Francisco region for people to kill, that particular car certainly drew his attention because he was the one who imported it from Europe. Z was sick, so I guess tiny details like that could have turned his killer instincts on.

Because the Karmann Ghia is a convertible it is rational to believe that many of these vehicles were sold in California. That’s the land of the convertible. So any involvement with these type of automobiles must be ruled to be coincidence because of the shear number of these cars in the Golden State in the 1960s.

THAT particular Kharmann Ghia was not owned by Bryan Hartnell FYI.

It was owned by a man who had worked for the Qvales in Washington State and Oregon and Bryan Hartnell was “ Leasing to own it” or something like that.

I’m not trying to ruin anything from Mike’s book but I furnished him the information.

What are the odds that an employee of Kjell and Knute Qvale held title on a car from Oregon, from the Qvale’s dealership, (where the “ Owner” worked)would factor into a murder in another state that KQ is tied to circumstantially within 50 miles of one of Qvale’s properties??

What are the odds that 2 Zodiac victims were attacked in the near vicinity of two of Qvale’s properties, one who “owned” a car bought from KQ’s company originally and “Leased” to a victim????

Still, if Z was KQ and he roamed the backroads of the San Francisco region for people to kill, that particular car certainly drew his attention because he was the one who imported it from Europe. Z was sick, so I guess tiny details like that could have turned his killer instincts on.

Hi,

I believe it is about more than just that. It is also about salting the case with subtle CLUES to his identity, which I believe KQ was more than liberal at sprinkling throughout both the letters and the crime scenes, as I discuss in The Hunt for Zodiac.

Mike

At Lake Barryesa, they determined that Z’s car had two different front wheels, imo; a car enthusiast and a man who was financially comfortable would not have this.

Could it have been a British car that Qvale specialized in importing to the US? viewtopic.php?f=44&t=4513

Hi Vince,

Do you think? A wealthy car dealer did not kill Cecelia Shepard. Zodiac did. Do you think Z was driving around in some distinctive imported car of which people might take notice? Wouldn’t you think he’d ride around in some non-descript car with mismatched tires?

Mike

Hi Vince,

Do you think? A wealthy car dealer did not kill Cecelia Shepard. Zodiac did. Do you think Z was driving around in some distinctive imported car of which people might take notice? Wouldn’t you think he’d ride around in some non-descript car with mismatched tires?

Mike

But this is an arrogant thrill-seeking serial killer we’re talking about.

Hi,

In Bonus Fides, I do state in my book that the car was not owned by Hartnell. I also credit you for providing me with the info but I believe that I was the one who wrote to the Portland library and determined that Bruce Christie once worked for KQ’s dealership in Portland. Thanks again for that important piece of data!

Mike

Hi Jacob,

What Vince was saying is that you can rule out KQ because the tires were mismatched. Sure Z was arrogant. Sure KQ was arrogant. Who knows? I was only addressing Vince’
s use of the tires to throw shade on KQ.

Mike

Hi,

Two misconceptions about Zodiac and KQ are often
used to discredit KQ as a suspect. The first, about Zodiac, is that he was a "powerless loser" who killed to make himself feel important. This was parroted by Mark Hewitt on Very Scary People. One of the founders of the field of behavioral profiling, Richard Walter, begs to differ. Unlike the theologist-cum-author, who has no known expertise in profiling criminals, Walter’s profile of the killer is of a wealthy and powerful person like KQ.

People also say that KQ would not have risked being recognized by killing Stine in his own neighborhood. On the same VSP show retired FBI profiler Mary Ellen O’Toole indicates that Zodiac had a need to undertake high risk crimes, thus laying bare the fact that the notion that the Stine murder was too "high risk" a crime for KQ to undertake is no more than a misconception about KQ as Zodiac.

I recently spoke behind the scenes on another social media site to a distant relative of KQ. This person, who had also shown up on this board in 2017 for a brief period of time, certainly has an open mind to the possibility that KQ was Zodiac. This person said that KQ possessed some personality traits that would support the notion that he fit the profile and therefore could have been a serial killer. In fact, this person was even willing to give up KQ as a possible for yet another famous and unsolved high-profile case, saying that KQ may have owned a house in the area where these crimes were committed. I won’t go into that for now, as I check further into this case and shield this person from exposure at this time.

The important thing is that this person did not dismiss my allegations and evidence out of hand, as some people in the public domain eagerly do while both pushing their own agendas and refusing to even learn about the evidence against KQ in my book.

So while many message board posters may contest and even refuse to refuse to entertain the possibility that KQ was Zodiac, this family member certainly does not.

There are also people who question the truthfulness of all the information that is in my book. At least those pieces of information that are not part of the nearly 200 footnotes that I have in the book. After about 2 and 1/2 years I am still waiting for someone to disprove even one thing that I said. And yet some people insist on implying but I distorted facts, intentionally misquoted people or put words in their mouths, or lied about things in order to make my case, all of which is patently and the monster bully okay untrue.

So I don’t hijack the VW thread, I thought I’d post here.

You’re damn right that I see things through the lens of KQ’s life. That is because KQ IS the "lens" who brings most of the Z evidence into focus.

1. He was in Riverside the weekend Bates was killed.
2. He also lived 2.5 blocks from where Stine was killed and was out on the streets of PH shortly after that crime was committed.
3. He is the only person who later became a POI who was spoken to by the police as a witness or suspect near any of the Z crime scenes. His name as been in the SFPD files since day one of their investigation.
4. He had strong ties to VW’s whether or not Z actually killed Bates–it matters not to me if he did or didn’t kill her or why the killer chose a VW.
5. Name another suspect who wrote one letter on monarch sized paper. I do not know of one other than Qvale yet but maybe I’ve missed something.
6. His mother died on December 20, 1939 and his father was born on September 27, 1887.
7. He fits the power-assertive profile of one of the pioneers in the field of behavioral profiling. And retired FBI profiler Mary Ellen O’Toole noted that there was no evidence of anger at the Z crime scenes. That is because he was not an anger killer. He killed for POWER. That is Walter’s profile and has been since 2004.
8. Qvale was a proven liar, as I demonstrated when I met with him in 2006. Pelissetti condoned and seemed to brush off KQ’s lies as KQ’s way of "getting rid" of people like me. But why does an innocent man need to lie? And why didn’t the fact
9. Qvale is the ONLY suspect who has been endorsed by a world renowned forensic psychologist, who has helped police solve scores of cases over the years.

This is the short list. My book has the rest.