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(@ithinkiknow)
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Simplicity, what is so stupid about what I posted?

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 7:29 am
(@capricorn)
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What’s good for the goose is good for the gander! The cat was out of the bag when LE allowed Tom to view the evidence. Since he didn’t recognize anything new IIRC, why not now release to the public or to his website so all those who have followed can see what there is there. It just may be that something will jump out at someone in that pile of correspondence that will be what’s needed to jog memories.

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 7:30 am
(@tomvoigt)
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Simplicity, what is so stupid about what I posted?

The fact that you don’t even know that "civilians" can view evidence. Good grief. Troll harder.

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 7:31 am
(@tomvoigt)
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Since he didn’t recognize anything new IIRC

I did though. In fact I made a video out of one such instance. Check out my Zodiac YouTube channel, browse the playlists, and choose ZODIAC EVIDENCE ROOM.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1Itj1 … subscriber

I guarantee you’ll enjoy the content or your money back!

Cliff notes: Zodiac used a second pen of a different color to highlight a symbol on the back of one of his ciphers.

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 7:34 am
(@ithinkiknow)
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Simplicity, what is so stupid about what I posted?

The fact that you don’t even know that "civilians" can view evidence. Good grief. Troll harder.

I know I’m falling for your trap, Tom, but I can’t help myself. Law enforcement officials can do whatever they with the physical items they deem as evidence. They can throw it into San Francisco Bay. They can take it home, slatter it in butter and fry it, if they want. However, if there is no clear chain of custody then there is an inference of spoliation. On none of the videos I watched did I see where you sogned any logs or sealed any evidence with your initials. So, if I demonstrated that the evidence was not properly handled by you, then there is an inference that it was not properly handled by someone else also–someone with perhaps nefarious motives. This is one of MANY things that are wrong from a legal-evdentiary standpoint about allowing a civilian to handle evidence. Again, that’s not a problem if the intend is to solve the case and not necessarily with putting somebody in prison.

Tom, what you fail to recognize is I AM ON YOUR SIDE in this matter. Please re-read my post and try to understand it before you mischaracterize what I said. I never said what you claimed I said. Or, instead of re-reading, just keep attacking the people who try to defend you.

And, for the record, I don’t have any gas money for you. Sorry.

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 7:50 am
(@xcaliber)
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<<So, if I demonstrated that the evidence was not properly handled by you, then there is an inference that it was not properly handled by someone else also–someone with perhaps nefarious motives. This is one of MANY things that are wrong from a legal-evdentiary standpoint about allowing a civilian to handle evidence.>>

Okay that’s enough.

Please don’t brag any more about getting murderers off on technicalities.

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 7:57 am
(@tomvoigt)
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"On none of the videos I watched did I see where you signed any logs or sealed any evidence with your initials."

I’m not a detective for the Vallejo Police Department, so why in the world would I be signing or checking out anything???

"So, if I demonstrated that the evidence was not properly handled by you…"

Wait…you think I handled actual Zodiac evidence?

What are you on?

And I still don’t know who you are.

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 8:00 am
(@simplicity)
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The ruffled feathers began in regards to the question over DNA.

The source of the hopeful DNA isn’t even in california at least to my understanding it’s interstate.

Also, the lab is not LE but that hasn’t helped any other quacks clients.

That’s why it’s stupid.

Yes, dyslexia is probably my first undiagnosed language.

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 8:20 am
(@kirkham68)
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the fuck is wrong with you clowns, always bickering over stupid shit
And Tom, do you always have to come across as a smarmy little prick

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 8:54 am
(@tomvoigt)
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the fuck is wrong with you clowns, always bickering over stupid shit
And Tom, do you always have to come across as a smarmy little prick

Oh the irony…

And reddit has a new posterboy.

"Oh what a night!"

frankie valli

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 8:55 am
ophion1031
(@ophion1031)
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the fuck is wrong with you clowns, always bickering over stupid shit
And Tom, do you always have to come across as a smarmy little prick

Agreed.

A few minutes ago on a toilet not very far, far away….

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 8:55 am
(@tomvoigt)
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Well of course you agree, I don’t even remember you but you’re obviously still trying to recover from a perceived slight I gave you back in 2007.

I’m the Lone Ranger and you are my horse, Triggered.

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 8:59 am
ophion1031
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There was no slight. But I have seen your website and it is full of you calling people names and banning those who don’t agree with you. I guess when you have a bunch of people kissing your ass that makes it ok to be an asshole with a giant ego, eh?

A few minutes ago on a toilet not very far, far away….

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 9:04 am
(@ithinkiknow)
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The ruffled feathers began in regards to the question over DNA.

The source of the hopeful DNA isn’t even in california at least to my understanding it’s interstate.

Also, the lab is not LE but that hasn’t helped any other quacks clients.

That’s why it’s stupid.

Thank God. A cogent argument.

I imagine that none of the employees of the laboratory have publicly named their favorite suspects in this case. If a living suspect’s DNA is found on any items handled by (or even in the immediate presence of) a famous blogger/webmaster/Z enthusiast, then a good lawyer coule make a strong case that there was secondary, tertiary, quaternary, etc. transfer. Or, maybe even primary transfer by someone trying to drive traffic to a website. Anyone who has an interest in a case, whether pecuniary or otherwise, should not be allowed to be in close proximity to evidence in that case.

Think of it this way: when Phil Vannater took a vial of OJ’s blood home to Simi Valley instead of to the evidence room, he opened himself up to an accusation that he planted evidence. Even if Vannater had NO ill intentions, and even if he did nothing nefarious, he still left himself open to that accusation. Likewise, a civilian who has an interest in a case leaves himself open to accusations of planting evidence even if he did nothing wrong. So, that evidence becomes meaningless if it is used to connect the defendant to a crime.

HOWEVER, as a reminder, I still believe it’s a good thing that law enforcement allowed Tom to view the evidence. I wish they would open jt up to all of us. But, the evidence is not going to be useful in a trial now. Rsther, it’s the next series of pieces of evidence that would be used to convict a living suspect.

Thank you for engaging in reasonable logical discussion Simplicity, instead of ad hominem fallacies like some resort to.

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 9:05 am
(@tomvoigt)
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There was no slight. But I have seen your website and it is full of you calling people names and banning those who don’t agree with you. I guess when you have a bunch of people kissing your ass that makes it ok to be an asshole with a giant ego, eh?

Wow…so I never even as much as slighted you…just wow.

Thanks for helping turn morf’s fine forum into reddit.

 
Posted : April 3, 2019 9:06 am
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