Did anyone look at the cbsnews.com I posted? It had gotten to the point that a face can be compiled from a DNA procedure, and other things too!

Yes, it is remarkable. It would be great if it could even narrow down the field some — in other cases, too.

Did anyone look at the cbsnews.com I posted? It had gotten to the point that a face can be compiled from a DNA procedure, and other things too!

Would be funny (for lack of a better word) if the stamp DNA yielded a familiar face–not one of a suspect though.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the DNA came back proving Ross Sullivan had committed Riverside. Arthur lee Allen does Lake Herman Road, Blue Rock Springs and Lake Berryessa. Then Lawrence Kane commits Paul Stine’s murder, kidnaps Kathleen Johns and murder’s Donna Lass. While Fred Manalli is writing letters to the editor the whole time and Ted Kaczynski keeps drawing bomb diagrams on Manalli’s finished letters. there are so many coincidences amongst the different suspects that any of them could have been zodiac. There should be a cheap velvet painting of all these dudes playing poker together.

I’m assuming your post is at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I had to smile while reading it. Because, after looking at Manalli’s handwriting and some of the odd phrases he had in common with Z, I’ve wondered if he might have hired a hit man (or two) to commit the murders for money. They choose their victims, and get paid when they deliver details about what they did. Then Fred could write his letters, playing out his fantasies of murder vicariously.

Then Fred dies and his buddy Richard Anderson (RA) runs the ad in the paper, letting the hitter(s) know the game is over.

Not saying I think this is what happened, just saying it has occurred to me as potentially viable.

The timing of that Zodiac ad in the paper is interesting when considering Manalli, but is it simply coincidental considering there was an article about Zodiac/Toschi just the day before?

Scroll down a bit via this link to see newspaper article/ad: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1756&start=70

sorry I didn’t mean for my comments to come off as snarky towards why someone would think these gentlemen are suspects. All of them in their way make great suspects. I’m not a very good writer and I have a hard time conveying my thoughts. This case has to be one of the most frustrating cases for LE. Paul Avery pretty much messed the whole suspect pool by releasing the Riverside information. Every suspect has to take into account CJB’s murder. Arthur Leigh Allen seems the total package, he has ties to both riverside and the bay area but he passes ballistics, hand writing samples, fingerprints, polygraph test, and DNA. Ross is strong for CJB but seems limited to Santa Cruz during the Zodiac murders. Lawrence lived near the pick up point for Paul Stine. Kathleen Johns picks Lawrence Cane out of a picture line-up and Cane seems the best suspect for Donna Lass but how do you tie Lawrence cane to Cheri Jo Bates. Now Fred Manalli is a great suspect for SRHM and he writes like how you would think Zodiac would write. The picture drawn of Wendy Allen and the symbol on her soy sauce jug that appears similar to the K on the exorcist letter and then you have the classified add. I like Fred Manalli but how do you tie him to CJB and can he do bomb diagrams? Ted I really just through in because he can do bombs but I really don’t think Ted was Zodiac, no disrespect towards those that do. Back to the point I’m trying to make is that once Arthur is eliminated as a suspect, the others only seem to work in combinations and it’s hard to imagine zodiac as anything other then a lone predator.

The timing of that Zodiac ad in the paper is interesting when considering Manalli, but is it simply coincidental considering there was an article about Zodiac/Toschi just the day before?

Scroll down a bit via this link to see newspaper article/ad: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1756&start=70

Actually the thing that draws my attention regarding that ad is the RA signature. I believe Richard Anderson was a co-suspect along with Fred in the SRHM killings. So what are the odds that those initials would be in that ad?

I wonder how much lead time there would be to run a classified ad. Could someone see that Zodiac article on the 26th and have time to get an ad in the paper that came out the next day? I would think they’d have to bring it to the paper in-person as there wouldn’t be time to mail it and have it arrive in time. I wonder if there would be a way to do that with minimal risk – like leaving it in a drop box or something. You wouldn’t just walk up to the desk and hand them that ad.

However, if the ad was in fact referencing Fred’s death, there was enough time. Fred died on August 25, but the accident was actually the previous evening, August 24. If someone (RA) knew him, they could’ve learned of his accident the evening of the 24th, his death in the very early morning of the 25th, dropped the ad in the mail, and local delivery might’ve had it there the next day, in time to run on the 27th. If Fred mailed it himself, as some have speculated, the latest he could’ve done so would’ve been on the 24th.

As far as coincidence, as you mention, there is definitely that no matter how you look at it. Manalli is a legit suspect in both the Z and SRHM cases, and he died right before that Zodiac article came out.

When I went on the last Zodiackiller outing that Tom V had we had an opportunity to speak with Vince Repetto (sp?) a retired SFPD detective that worked the Zodiac case. I specifically asked him about that ad and he was unaware of it having been in the SF Chronicle. I thought that was odd.

Graysmith was the one who brought it to our attention in one of his books and I went to the microfilms of the Chronicle and found it. The first person that came to my mind as to who RA could have been was Ron Allen, ALA’s brother. I’ve wondered if Graysmith himself may have placed the ad, trying to lure his favorite suspect ALA. He would certainly have the means to get the ad placed on a moments notice and he may have even known about Manalli’s death the previous day.

@Marshall–

I must admit, I know nothing of Richard Anderson. I will search him and comment there.

When I went on the last Zodiackiller outing that Tom V had we had an opportunity to speak with Vince Repetto (sp?) a retired SFPD detective that worked the Zodiac case. I specifically asked him about that ad and he was unaware of it having been in the SF Chronicle. I thought that was odd.

Graysmith was the one who brought it to our attention in one of his books and I went to the microfilms of the Chronicle and found it. The first person that came to my mind as to who RA could have been was Ron Allen, ALA’s brother. I’ve wondered if Graysmith himself may have placed the ad, trying to lure his favorite suspect ALA. He would certainly have the means to get the ad placed on a moments notice and he may have even known about Manalli’s death the previous day.

Was Graysmith aware of Allen in 76 ?

If it’s the same Richard Anderson that I’m thinking of, he was a suspect in the SRHM but shot and killed himself before enough evidence could be gathered to charge him. He is mentioned in the March 1989 article about the SRHM, along with Manalli although neither are actually named.

In particular read the last column of the article.

Seems like DNA would be a (somewhat) easy answer with that case..today.

is there a place for bulk information on Richard Anderson? I did a search but he just seems to be a side reference to Manalli. I got his middle name was dale and died due to self inflicted shot gun blast. I was wondering if he was caucasian with an afro style hair cut with a penchant for hanging out with weird writers that like to commit lewd and lascivious acts on young women?

I have his death certificate. He was white but the afro and a penchant for hanging out with weird writers etc. is not covered in the document! However it does say he was a laborer with S&H Construction Company.