Good work quicktrader. Obviously the heart shape tattoo could in fact be an M on weathered skin.

Good work quicktrader. Obviously the heart shape tattoo could in fact be an M on weathered skin.

Thanks..in fact it was a heart shaped tattoo PLUS an ‘M’. So the body found had a heart-shaped tattoo near the thumb. Melissa’s tattoo was small, so the ‘M’ might have not been considered when the body was found two months later. The M would most likely stand for ‘Melissa’. I guess this one is a correct match, due to the number of ‘coincidences’.

Now found out that someone else had the same idea, however it was not further investigated/reported. Additional information:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe … opic=37602
http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t55289.htm

The reconstruction of her face is a good match, too. One guy mentions that the teeth were no match..on the other hand, the tent is rather the supporting the run-away theory and her teeth appear to be fine as at the Jane Doe..wonder if he knows that one for sure.

QT

Hm..and then there is this one:

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law … iro/ncCTz/

QT

Quicktrader,

I really admire and appreciate the work that you do. Much devotion.

Have you seen the case of a woman out of south Florida covered in lime? There is also a young girl, possibly 18, that was found covered in lime as well but a couple years later and possibly in a Midwestern state.

Soze

Quicktrader,

I really admire and appreciate the work that you do. Much devotion.
Soze

I second that, I mentioned it ages ago when I first looked at his spreadsheet, it’s one of the most depressing things to read – all of those missing people without even a body to grieve over or an answer to at least move on from. Terrible work, very admirable.

Thx, it is indeed creepy that there are so many unsolved cases.

Never heard about the girl covered with lime..

Appears to be a typical post-crime activity to do both, cover & hide the body plus ‘cleaning’ up with it. In fact, unslaked lime starts to cook at Celsius 180 when getting into contact with water (Calciumoxid + H2O = Calciumhydroxid). Decomposition of the body, due to the lime reacting with the body and cell fluids, is proceeding faster. Bacteria and smells are killed, there also is less risk of later infectional diseases. Therefore, using unslaked lime has some advantages for a killer e.g. that the body would smell less and rottens faster.

Unslaked lime has a ph value of 12-13, therefore is an acid that would also require some sort of cautiousness. I’d investigate in business and job profiles connected to that material, e.g. construction workers, iron producing industry, farmers (cleaning of barns) and last but not least animal crematory workers. Imo you can even rule out construction workers as they may know about the lime reacting with water but rather wouldn’t consider a faster decomposition process or even the prevention of smells. This is rather the approach of a farmer, who knows how his lime cleans out the barn, or someone who worked in the business of animal disease control, liming e.g. 5000 dead chicken due to previous chicken pox or something like that. Not only that he had access to such lime (which you actually can buy in any hardware store) but I might guess that this person had also known about the reaction strength and time of the lime he had used.

Probably a hard piece of work to analyze the lime after having reacted with water. However it could be possible (under heats of 550-1200 degrees Celsius) to figure out what type of, eventually what brand of the lime actually was. Other contaminations (compounds, micro elements, pollen etc.) could also lead to the identification of the correct lime, later the identification of a potential buyer.

Would be interesting to know where exactly the body was found, if ‘smell’ was an issue in that area or if it was completely rural. Overall he or she wanted to get the body away quick.

QT

Quicktrader,

That was quite a bit of information there. Very informative. Thank you.

The older lady was covered in hydrated or caustic lime, placed in a hole and then covered with brush. The area at the time would have been rural. Her number at doenetwork is 235UFFL.

The younger girl was found in Oklahoma. Doenetwork doesn’t describe the lime by name but they do say it was the wrong lime used. The lime used preserved the body rather decompose it. The number for her at doenetwork is 255UFOK.

I always felt that the two were related crime wise as well as family relation. Did a high school yearbook search on the younger girl once. Found a girl that I thought matched and was going to see if I couldn’t locate her or some family member (to see if she was alive). This high school was on the opposite side of the state from where the older lady had been found but really not too far away. I lost the information though and haven’t done search again.

Sorry. I don’t mean to take away from your thread. Just something that interests me and thought of them at the time.

Soze

Very informative hint from your side, too.. They could come from the same person..rather construction related or a guy who obviously wasn’t a farmer..I’LL have a look on those cases, not many people go and buy lime with a body in their trunk, or, return to the grave site.

There is a slight similarity of the Florida Jane Doe with that one:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/ravens_patsy.html

QT

I read a PDF last night on the effects of lime in decomposition. It said that hydrated lime is best in preserving when not at any significant depth. The shallower the better. I think it is probably likely that the younger girl was also exposed to this hydrated lime. One thing that I did find interesting in reading about the people who use hydrated lime is that "hydrated lime" is used in sugar refining. Its a little more north west than where the older lady was found but the glades of Florida "if I remember correctly " is the base for sugar production in Florida. Anyway, I just thought I would share that tid bit of info.

Saw the lady you spoke of. Yes. She does look like her. Have questions and comments but I wont go into that here.

Soze

I wonder how they want to know that he took the wrong lime… One night of rain and the lime reacts to its other form, doesn’t it?

QT