Using google maps the other day, I followed West Pacific Avenue around to a parking area called ‘Inspiration Point’. Could this be where Zodiac’s car was parked? Or, did he have a car parked on West Pacific Avenue and simply drive around the corner and park up at Inspiration Point, a place that a parked car would not be suspicious and overlooks the entire Presidio?
Below, using Google Earth, I have marked the route to Inspiration Point, as well as Julius Kahn area. The arrows show the route via road. But there is a path, called Ecology Trail, that you can take to get there on foot from W. Pacific Avenue.
(Ps. I didn’t draw the odd white outline around the house next to Maple St. That is odd and don’t know why its there.)
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
I have a 1970 San Francisco street map. Inspiration Point is not on the map, Julius Kahn Playground is on the map.
That’s Howard’s house, that one with a line around. 
Consider: You shoot someone in the head, then run up to a local beauty spot and, lightly blood-stained, you sit in your car, watching to see who gets closest in their search for you, making a few notes for your letter.
Likely?
Personally I don’t think any of that stuff about motorcycles zooming past and all that is very likely to be "real". What do I know though huh? It might be SOP.
It’s nice up there I do know, and I think that although it’s not marked on your map Taco cat, that it’s well established and has been around for oodles. I went up in the 80’s and there’s a great view in good weather. I wasn’t particularly inspired I have to say. (Although I was prepared to be.)
That’s Howard’s house, that one with a line around.
Consider: You shoot someone in the head, then run up to a local beauty spot and, lightly blood-stained, you sit in your car, watching to see who gets closest in their search for you, making a few notes for your letter.
Likely?
Personally I don’t think any of that stuff about motorcycles zooming past and all that is very likely to be "real". What do I know though huh? It might be SOP.It’s nice up there I do know, and I think that although it’s not marked on your map Taco cat, that it’s well established and has been around for oodles. I went up in the 80’s and there’s a great view in good weather. I wasn’t particularly inspired I have to say. (Although I was prepared to be.)
Smithy, some good points there… But… (Lol)
First: " You shoot someone in the head, then run up to a local beauty spot and, lightly blood-stained, you sit in your car, watching to see who gets closest in their search for you, making a few notes for your letter. Likely?" Well, depends. If we are talking about a rational man, then no. But we’re not talking about a rational man here, he’s just shot a man in the middle of the street and took time to hang around ripping clothes and wiping down the cab. "then run up to a local beauty spot and, lightly blood-stained, you sit in your car". The point you make here is ‘would he really run to a dark spot and sit in his car with blood stains on him?’. Well, to argue that Zodiac would have been concerned about his clothes having blood on them is to ignore the fact that he’s just walked along Cherry st, and down the hill on Jackson in full public view. I would agree with you that you and I may not want to sit anywhere near the scene having blood on us, but we are rational thinking people (well, sometimes lol). I mean to suggest that Zodiac would have just wanted to flee the area because he had blood stains on him is to ignore how Zodiac took his time at the cab, was in no rush at all, and then walked down two public streets under the street lights, blood stains an all!
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
WC – yes OK, if he was a complete nutcase, he may have driven up to Inspiration Point. I was trying to come up with things that were likely, but then some of the points I’m trying on for size on other threads, I don’t see why I should deny you on this one!
WC – yes OK, if he was a complete nutcase, he may have driven up to Inspiration Point. I was trying to come up with things that were likely, but then some of the points I’m trying on for size on other threads, I don’t see why I should deny you on this one!
As always Smithy, I appreciate the comments. I wouldn’t want you to deny me your thoughts and theories on this thread, either. If you did, I would throw my toys out of the pram and sulk (hehe).
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
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"WC – yes OK, if he was a complete nutcase, he may have driven up to Inspiration Point." Well if Zodiac was a normal, rational man, who used logic to determine his choices, then he was incredibly stupid. 
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
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"WC – yes OK, if he was a complete nutcase, he may have driven up to Inspiration Point." Well if Zodiac was a normal, rational man, who used logic to determine his choices, then he was incredibly stupid.
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He’s not incredibly stupid. He’s avoided capture all these years, hasn’t he? That night he might have only needed to remove his glasses and put on a security guard cap, or some other uniform, and "Presto!", he’s watching everything from a courtside seat.
"Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it." George Costanza from Seinfeld
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"WC – yes OK, if he was a complete nutcase, he may have driven up to Inspiration Point." Well if Zodiac was a normal, rational man, who used logic to determine his choices, then he was incredibly stupid.
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He’s not incredibly stupid. He’s avoided capture all these years, hasn’t he? That night he might have only needed to remove his glasses and put on a security guard cap, or some other uniform, and "Presto!", he’s watching everything from a courtside seat.
"He’s not incredibly stupid." That was my point exactly. If you read my comment and though I was stating Zodiac was stupid, then you misunderstood what it was I was saying. The point I was trying to make was that if Zodiac wasn’t a nut case operating on impulsive desire’s to kill, and was, in fact, a rational man with logical thought pattern, then his decision to kill at Washington & Cherry (Washington & Maple it seems was his intended kill location), was a high risk one, and very stupid. It almost, and should have, led to his capture. But, I don’t believe Zodiac was a rational man who thought logically, so therefore, he is not stupid, he’s more likely mentally ill.
Do you get what I mean?
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
"He’s not incredibly stupid." That was my point exactly. If you read my comment and though I was stating Zodiac was stupid, then you misunderstood what it was I was saying. The point I was trying to make was that if Zodiac wasn’t a nut case operating on impulsive desire’s to kill, and was, in fact, a rational man with logical thought pattern, then his decision to kill at Washington & Cherry (Washington & Maple it seems was his intended kill location), was a high risk one, and very stupid. It almost, and should have, led to his capture. But, I don’t believe Zodiac was a rational man who thought logically, so therefore, he is not stupid, he’s more likely mentally ill.
Do you get what I mean?
On the assumption that he were mentally ill, despite people all over the world working on this case, he’s managed to fend off his discovery this long, kept them bickering over details like which way a victim’s head was turned and whether or not LH was a robbery etc…, and trying to crack useless ciphers. Ingenious, more like it.
"Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it." George Costanza from Seinfeld
"He’s not incredibly stupid." That was my point exactly. If you read my comment and though I was stating Zodiac was stupid, then you misunderstood what it was I was saying. The point I was trying to make was that if Zodiac wasn’t a nut case operating on impulsive desire’s to kill, and was, in fact, a rational man with logical thought pattern, then his decision to kill at Washington & Cherry (Washington & Maple it seems was his intended kill location), was a high risk one, and very stupid. It almost, and should have, led to his capture. But, I don’t believe Zodiac was a rational man who thought logically, so therefore, he is not stupid, he’s more likely mentally ill.
Do you get what I mean?On the assumption that he were mentally ill, despite people all over the world working on this case, he’s managed to fend off his discovery this long, kept them bickering over details like which way a victim’s head was turned and whether or not LH was a robbery etc…, and trying to crack useless ciphers. Ingenious, more like it.
Yes, I believe he was very intelligent as well as being mentally ill. The assumption that a person cannot be both extremely intelligent as well as mentally ill is completely incorrect. In fact, it’s the opposite. Take Stephen Fry for example. IQ: ‘approaching genius’. Mental Health: Suffers from Bipolar Disorder. "Research has indicated that bipolar disorder may be up to four times more common in young people who were straight-A students" claims Psych-Central, the Internet’s largest and oldest independent mental health social network run by mental health professionals.
I have come across many people who believe that Zodiac couldn’t have been mentally ill as he was intelligent enough to avoid capture all these years. Mental Illness has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence, nor does it effect it. You could suffer from severe psychosis and, during psychotic delusions believe that Leprechauns are residing in your garden shed, and yet, despite this, your intellectual capacity will remain the same, so you may still show an IQ score of 140+
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
"He’s not incredibly stupid." That was my point exactly. If you read my comment and though I was stating Zodiac was stupid, then you misunderstood what it was I was saying. The point I was trying to make was that if Zodiac wasn’t a nut case operating on impulsive desire’s to kill, and was, in fact, a rational man with logical thought pattern, then his decision to kill at Washington & Cherry (Washington & Maple it seems was his intended kill location), was a high risk one, and very stupid. It almost, and should have, led to his capture. But, I don’t believe Zodiac was a rational man who thought logically, so therefore, he is not stupid, he’s more likely mentally ill.
Do you get what I mean?On the assumption that he were mentally ill, despite people all over the world working on this case, he’s managed to fend off his discovery this long, kept them bickering over details like which way a victim’s head was turned and whether or not LH was a robbery etc…, and trying to crack useless ciphers. Ingenious, more like it.
Yes, I believe he was very intelligent as well as being mentally ill. The assumption that a person cannot be both extremely intelligent as well as mentally ill is completely incorrect. In fact, it’s the opposite. Take Stephen Fry for example. IQ: ‘approaching genius’. Mental Health: Suffers from Bipolar Disorder. "Research has indicated that bipolar disorder may be up to four times more common in young people who were straight-A students" claims Psych-Central, the Internet’s largest and oldest independent mental health social network run by mental health professionals.
I have come across many people who believe that Zodiac couldn’t have been mentally ill as he was intelligent enough to avoid capture all these years. Mental Illness has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence, nor does it effect it. You could suffer from severe psychosis and, during psychotic delusions believe that Leprechauns are residing in your garden shed, and yet, despite this, your intellectual capacity will remain the same, so you may still show an IQ score of 140+
Sorry to keep repeating but "he" was only using The Z. as a cover which came with bluffs, "bussy work" (i.e. ciphers, "clews", etc…) "He" was really not like that.
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop … 4228#p4228
"Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it." George Costanza from Seinfeld
With respect, you can repeat it 100 times, the fact is, you cannot "Know’ the character of the man behind the Zodiac persona without having personal knowledge of who ‘he’ was. Same goes for your assertion that ”He’ was only using Zodiac as a cover. Again, I’ll now also repeat what I stated hours ago. Unless you can show reasonable grounds, facts and/or evidence for which you are basing these theories on, then they don’t hold any credibility in my opinion. I could say ‘He’ was not from this Solar System, that is why he called himself ‘Zodiac’ as he was a space traveller who came here from the Zeta Reticuli star system. Don’t think that I’d convert many people and get the to endorse my latest theory because I am simply making it up off the top of my head. While I can see that there may be some grounds to question the authenticity of ‘Zodiac’, by that I mean, was he really just another serial killer assigning a unique name to himself alongside such others as BTK, Son of Sam etc, or did he have another hidden agenda for which the ‘Zodiac’ persona was created with the specific intension for the character tp be short term, and serve as a distraction.
But, there is absolutely no basis for which anyone can claim to know what ‘He’ was really like in his life outside of Zodiac, you’d have to know the man who created the persona to be able to state what you just stated.
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
With respect, you can repeat it 100 times, the fact is, you cannot "Know’ the character of the man behind the Zodiac persona without having personal knowledge of who ‘he’ was. Same goes for your assertion that ”He’ was only using Zodiac as a cover. Again, I’ll now also repeat what I stated hours ago. Unless you can show reasonable grounds, facts and/or evidence for which you are basing these theories on, then they don’t hold any credibility in my opinion. I could say ‘He’ was not from this Solar System, that is why he called himself ‘Zodiac’ as he was a space traveller who came here from the Zeta Reticuli star system. Don’t think that I’d convert many people and get the to endorse my latest theory because I am simply making it up off the top of my head. While I can see that there may be some grounds to question the authenticity of ‘Zodiac’, by that I mean, was he really just another serial killer assigning a unique name to himself alongside such others as BTK, Son of Sam etc, or did he have another hidden agenda for which the ‘Zodiac’ persona was created with the specific intension for the character tp be short term, and serve as a distraction.
But, there is absolutely no basis for which anyone can claim to know what ‘He’ was really like in his life outside of Zodiac, you’d have to know the man who created the persona to be able to state what you just stated.
Well, I gave you a general idea as to what he was probably like but if you’re looking for his favorite TV shows, favorite beer, what are his thoughts on abortion, then I’m sorry, matey, but I just don’t have that information. If you want to fixate on his death machine and who made his hood, I’ll not criticize you for it.
"Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it." George Costanza from Seinfeld
Putting aside your silly, childish, and above all, failed attempt at ridicule and accusation of my obsession with Zodiac’s hood and Death Machine, i’m not going to respond to you by telling you why you are wrong because I would be biased towards me lol. I’ll let you see what others have written about me in messages, and regarding the site I wrote.
Exhibit A:
"Lawrence Kane analysis:
Welsh Chappie, a frequent visitor on ZodiackillerSite forum, has his own website, outlining his belief the Zodiac could possibly be Lawrence Kane and tables a long analysis of his possible suspect, in extensive detail. His site can be found at http://welshchappie.wordpress.com/ .
Link to the web page where above comment can be seen: http://www.pnyxe.com/PnyxeDiscussIt.jsp … 961&v=1006
Exhibit B: Personal Message by another site member: "I do appreciate your posts and think you are a fine researcher."
Exhibit C: Comment left by a visitor to my web site, still posted for you to clarify: "Congratulations on a very well informed and clearly structured website. Its refreshing to read an analysis that doesn’t seek to claim fame for the author."
Link to my web site that shows above comment: http://wp.me/p2ZA7s-4
Now, i’m going to eagerly sit back and wait for you to tell me what positive feedback your ‘research’ has acquired. Other than shouting ‘Bluff’ ‘Z Distraction’ and ‘More than 1’, is there anything else that you have done to help uncover facts, data, etc that benefits the who Zodiac community? Or have you always just made theories up based on nothing other than ‘because I said so’ logic?
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
