Anyone know what happened to the dispatcher who incorrectly ID’d Zodiac as black?

Let’s get technical…

Distance from corner of Washington and Cherry to Washington and Jackson = 415 feet
Time traveled at normal pace (3.1 mph) = 90 seconds

Distance from crime scene to 3712 Maple St. = 725 feet
Time traveled at normal pace = 2 minutes 37 seconds

Distance from just north of Washington to 3712 Maple = 2804 feet
Time traveled at 35 mph = 55 seconds
Time traveled at 40 mph = 48 seconds

Distance from just north of Wash on Presidio to top of Cherry = 3188 feet
Time traveled by Foulke at 35 mph = 63 second
Time traveled by Foulke at 40 mph = 54 seconds

Zodiac would make it from the crime scene to just rounding the corner on to Jackson in a minute and a half. He would have made it from the crime scene to the meeting with Foulke and Zelms in just under 3 minutes – which lines up with what Zodiac said in his letter.

So, Foulke and Zelms would have made it to the assumed meeting with Zodiac in under a minute. They would have made it to the top of Cherry in about a minute if they do not stop. If they do stop and talk to Zodiac, it would increase the time to the top of Cherry by an unknown amount.

So, with that in mind, the timeline could look like this:

9:38:00 Paul Stine picks up Zodiac in Union Square
9:52:00 Paul Stine is shot at the corner of Washington and Cherry
9:53:30 Zodiac leaves the scene of the crime
9:53:30 Call placed to dispatch by Robbins teens
9:55 Dispatch call goes out re: cabbie being robbed/assaulted
9:55:30 Pelissetti and Peda arrive on scene seconds after Zodiac rounds corner down Jackson
9:56:00 Foulke & Zelms intersect with Zodiac

This timeline would account for all the known facts to this point. It DOES NOT account for what happened after this. Did Foulke and Zelms talk to Zodiac? Did they meet up with Pelissetti at the top of Cherry? Did they continue on at high speed to Arguello? We can’t account for that.

Let’s get technical…

Distance from corner of Washington and Cherry to Washington and Jackson = 415 feet
Time traveled at normal pace (3.1 mph) = 90 seconds

Distance from crime scene to 3712 Maple St. = 725 feet
Time traveled at normal pace = 2 minutes 37 seconds

Distance from just north of Washington to 3712 Maple = 2804 feet
Time traveled at 35 mph = 55 seconds
Time traveled at 40 mph = 48 seconds

Distance from just north of Wash on Presidio to top of Cherry = 3188 feet
Time traveled by Foulke at 35 mph = 63 second
Time traveled by Foulke at 40 mph = 54 seconds

Zodiac would make it from the crime scene to just rounding the corner on to Jackson in a minute and a half. He would have made it from the crime scene to the meeting with Foulke and Zelms in just under 3 minutes – which lines up with what Zodiac said in his letter.

So, Foulke and Zelms would have made it to the assumed meeting with Zodiac in under a minute. They would have made it to the top of Cherry in about a minute if they do not stop. If they do stop and talk to Zodiac, it would increase the time to the top of Cherry by an unknown amount.

So, with that in mind, the timeline could look like this:

9:38:00 Paul Stine picks up Zodiac in Union Square
9:52:00 Paul Stine is shot at the corner of Washington and Cherry
9:53:30 Zodiac leaves the scene of the crime
9:53:30 Call placed to dispatch by Robbins teens
9:55 Dispatch call goes out re: cabbie being robbed/assaulted
9:55:30 Pelissetti and Peda arrive on scene seconds after Zodiac rounds corner down Jackson
9:56:00 Foulke & Zelms intersect with Zodiac

This timeline would account for all the known facts to this point. It DOES NOT account for what happened after this. Did Foulke and Zelms talk to Zodiac? Did they meet up with Pelissetti at the top of Cherry? Did they continue on at high speed to Arguello? We can’t account for that.

VERY nicely done!

You stated "Zodiac would make it from the crime scene to just rounding the corner on to Jackson in a minute and a half. He would have made it from the crime scene to the meeting with Foulke and Zelms in just under 3 minutes – which lines up with what Zodiac said in his letter".

Therefore you have the journey from "just rounding the corner on Jackson" to "meeting with Fouke and Zelms" in just under 1 1/2 minutes.

You stated "Distance from crime scene to 3712 Maple St. = 725 feet
Time traveled at normal pace = 2 minutes 37 seconds.

Therefore, you have Zodiac "from crime scene to just rounding corner of Jackson in 1 1/2 minutes". This leaves him 1 minute and 7 seconds to reach "meeting with Fouke and Zelms".

You have allocated 30 seconds
9:55:30 Pelissetti and Peda arrive on scene seconds after Zodiac rounds corner down Jackson
9:56:00 Foulke & Zelms intersect with Zodiac

But the bigger point, irrespective of this, is you stated
Distance from just north of Wash on Presidio to top of Cherry = 3188 feet
Time traveled by Foulke at 35 mph = 63 second
Time traveled by Foulke at 40 mph = 54 seconds

Let us take the slowest time of 63 seconds for Fouke from Washington/Presidio to top of Cherry from 1st APB.
Now get Pelissetti from first APB to the top of Cherry to meet Fouke directly in 63 seconds, let alone 54 seconds.
Pelissetti’s journey up Cherry from crime scene to top of Cherry (just rounding corner of Jackson) is 90 seconds walking normally, because you allocated "Zodiac would make it from the crime scene to just rounding the corner on to Jackson in a minute and a half". But Pelissetti only has 63 seconds from 1st APB to reach the top of Cherry to meet Fouke.

But he has to arrive at crime scene (you allocated 30 seconds), even if he isn’t checking alcoves and cars and walking the same speed as Zodiac (you allotted 90 seconds). That is already 2 minutes and he only has 63 seconds. And that is ignoring everything HE SAID he did at the crime scene, such as escorting the kids back to the alcove, retaking the description, updating all units and checking on Paul Stine. How does Pelissetti travel from 1st APB to top of Cherry and meet Fouke in 63 seconds.

But the bigger point, irrespective of this, is you stated
Distance from just north of Wash on Presidio to top of Cherry = 3188 feet
Time traveled by Foulke at 35 mph = 63 second
Time traveled by Foulke at 40 mph = 54 seconds

Let us take the slowest time of 63 seconds for Fouke from Washington/Presidio to top of Cherry from 1st APB.
Now get Pelissetti from first APB to the top of Cherry to meet Fouke directly in 63 seconds, let alone 54 seconds.
Pelissetti’s journey up Cherry from crime scene to top of Cherry (just rounding corner of Jackson) is 90 seconds walking normally, because you allocated "Zodiac would make it from the crime scene to just rounding the corner on to Jackson in a minute and a half". But Pelissetti only has 63 seconds from 1st APB to reach the top of Cherry to meet Fouke.

But he has to arrive at crime scene (you allocated 30 seconds), even if he isn’t checking alcoves and cars and walking the same speed as Zodiac (you allotted 90 seconds). That is already 2 minutes and he only has 63 seconds. And that is ignoring everything HE SAID he did at the crime scene, such as escorting the kids back to the alcove, retaking the description, updating all units and checking on Paul Stine. How does Pelissetti travel from 1st APB to top of Cherry and meet Fouke in 63 seconds.

I’ll take your second point first. The answer is: I don’t know.

My timeline doesn’t account for what happens after Foulke and Zelms intersect with Zodiac. As I stated, they could have bypassed Cherry and raced toward Arguello. Pelissetti could be embellishing and never made his way up Cherry. They could have had a lengthier interaction with Zodiac than what we think. I don’t know.

You stated "Zodiac would make it from the crime scene to just rounding the corner on to Jackson in a minute and a half. He would have made it from the crime scene to the meeting with Foulke and Zelms in just under 3 minutes – which lines up with what Zodiac said in his letter".

Therefore you have the journey from "just rounding the corner on Jackson" to "meeting with Fouke and Zelms" in just under 1 1/2 minutes.

You stated "Distance from crime scene to 3712 Maple St. = 725 feet
Time traveled at normal pace = 2 minutes 37 seconds.

Therefore, you have Zodiac "from crime scene to just rounding corner of Jackson in 1 1/2 minutes". This leaves him 1 minute and 7 seconds to reach "meeting with Fouke and Zelms".

You have allocated 30 seconds
9:55:30 Pelissetti and Peda arrive on scene seconds after Zodiac rounds corner down Jackson
9:56:00 Foulke & Zelms intersect with Zodiac

To your initial point, here is the math:

From the crime scene to just around the corner of Jackson and Cherry is 415 feet. Normal walking pace is 4.6 feet per second. 4.6 into 415 leaves you with 90 seconds and change.

The distance from the crime scene to 3712 Jackson (the presumed location of Foulke and Zelms intersecting Zodiac) is 725 feet. Again, at a normal walking pace of 4.6 fps gives you 157 seconds or 2:37 seconds.

Now, I’m not saying that Zodiac rounds the corner at the EXACT same moment P & P arrive at the crime scene. I’m allowing time for Zodiac to get a headstart. Also, there are things we can’t know such as did Foulke and Zelms slow down as they made the left turn on Jackson? Did they slow or stop as they approached Zodiac? Did the call go out at EXACTLY 9:55 or perhaps 9:55:15? There is no way to now.

But this timeline accounts for everyone’s whereabouts given the presumed facts.

As always, Richard, if you can identify errors in my math or my logic, please point them out. I’m always open for criticism.

Richard,

A bigger discrepancy is the 2007 documentary where Pelissetti says he walked all the way to the corner of Jackson and Maple where he encountered KQ with the dog. Irrespective of encountering F and Zelms at Cherry, how did he not encounter them on his supposed journey down Jackson?

Also, considering KQ was encountered walking north on Maple, is it possible this is who Zodiac saw that induced him to ask the cab to continue a block further along?

Armond Pelissetti couldn’t have seen Fouke and Zelms anywhere on Jackson Street travelling east that night.

"Also, considering KQ was encountered walking north on Maple, is it possible this is who Zodiac saw that induced him to ask the cab to continue a block further along?" It’s possible. Or any number of other people on the corner of Washington & Maple. But it would be a no from Mike, because Qvale was inside the taxicab, while his mutt was eagerly waiting for a walk by the front door of 3636 Jackson Street.

Armond Pelissetti couldn’t have seen Fouke and Zelms anywhere on Jackson Street travelling east that night.

Why not? F and Z were traveling west on Jackson and Armond claims he walked all the way east down Jackson. Yet, Armond says nothing about seeing or hearing another patrol car.

You answered this yourself previously. Fouke and Zelms negotiated the portion of Jackson running from Presidio Avenue to Cherry in 1 minute. How does Pelissetti get onto Jackson in 1 minute?

Fair point, Richard, but wouldn’t Armond see and remember another SFPD patrol car flying west down Jackson in full lights and siren as he carefully made his way up Cherry?

If he arrived on the corner of Washington & Cherry after 30 seconds, had Zodiac pointed out to him for say 15-20 seconds and then had escorted them back to their alcove, the Jackson/Cherry intersection would be out of view but not out of earshot. When he has the kids back to the alcove 1 full minute has now elapsed. Fouke and Zelms are now passing Jackson & Cherry on their way to Arguello. As Pelissetti is escorting the kids back to their alcove he is now informed of the WMA, so updates the other units. Donald Fouke is now at Arguello and gets the update to WMA. Realizing the WMA he passed duped him (and had last seen him heading north on Maple), Fouke swings in West Pacific Avenue and does a sweep of Presidio Park. This takes about 2 to 2 1/2 minutes before returning to Cherry. Pelissetti has meanwhile checked on Stine, asked Peda to secure the crime scene and taken the cautious 90 second walk up Cherry. He now bumps into Fouke. This is the only way the 2007 documentary timeline can work.

But this highlights that the sighting of the Zodiac by the kids is problematic. Even with just 30 seconds for Pelissetti to arrive at the crime scene, Zodiac is supposedly still in Cherry, approaching Jackson. If Fouke arrived at Jackson & Maple after 50 seconds, Zodiac would have 20 seconds to reach the top of Cherry, then travel the length of Jackson to be sighted by Fouke. The problem is worse if Pelissetti took 50 seconds to arrive at Washington & Cherry and have Zodiac pointed out to him, because Zodiac is now at the top of Cherry or has just rounded it after 50 seconds, while Fouke is spotting Zodiac at the other end of Jackson after 50 seconds. Which is why the versions of the 3 teenagers and Fouke cannot both be correct. If you ignore the 3 teenagers sighting of Zodiac, then the first paragraph version works perfectly for the 2007 documentary (other than Fouke traveling directly to meet Pelissetti as it claimed).

Richard,

You keep saying that Pelissetti had "Zodiac pointed out to him" by the teens.

Pelissetti never saw Zodiac. If he had the culprit pointed out to him and laid eyes on him then either he or Peda would have immediately pursued him and/or radio the location of the suspect to other units. Instead, he carefully walked up Cherry searching the hiding places. If Armond already saw Zodiac turn the corner on to Jackson, none of that would be necessary.

So, where do you get this notion that the teens pointed out Zodiac to Pelissetti and he laid eyes on him as he rounded the corner?

In light of this, it seems possible that the teens, rather than actually pointing to Zodiac at the exact moment he reached the top of Cherry, instead told Pelissetti the direction in which he went.

Meaning…

Instead of: "Look there he is! He’s right there at the top of Cherry. See him?"

It would have been: "He went that way! Up Cherry. Hurry!"

I have never said Pelissetti saw Zodiac, only that Lindsey was trying to point Zodiac out. Here is what the kids said "While Pelissetti was asking questions, Lindsey was trying to explain that the suspect was in sight on Cherry St. By the time Pelissetti got the point, they both looked and the Zodiac was gone".

They stated he was "in sight", which means visible on Cherry. I am only recounting what they said.
What is important, is the fact Donald Fouke headed to Arguello before he met Pelissetti. Why? Because Zodiac wasn’t lying in the letter and directed him away from the murder (Fouke thought was just an attack), or because Donald Fouke just decided to head away from the crime scene for no reason whatsoever.

I have never said Pelissetti saw Zodiac, only that Lindsey was trying to point Zodiac out. Here is what the kids said "While Pelissetti was asking questions, Lindsey was trying to explain that the suspect was in sight on Cherry St. By the time Pelissetti got the point, they both looked and the Zodiac was gone".

They stated he was "in sight", which means visible on Cherry. I am only recounting what they said.
What is important, is the fact Donald Fouke headed to Arguello before he met Pelissetti. Why? Because Zodiac wasn’t lying in the letter and directed him away from the murder (Fouke thought was just an attack), or because Donald Fouke just decided to head away from the crime scene for no reason whatsoever.

The zodiac has never, in my opinion, lied about anything. It’s all in an individual’s interpretation of the things stated that makes zodiac a liar.

Soze

I have never said Pelissetti saw Zodiac, only that Lindsey was trying to point Zodiac out. Here is what the kids said "While Pelissetti was asking questions, Lindsey was trying to explain that the suspect was in sight on Cherry St. By the time Pelissetti got the point, they both looked and the Zodiac was gone".

They stated he was "in sight", which means visible on Cherry. I am only recounting what they said.
What is important, is the fact Donald Fouke headed to Arguello before he met Pelissetti. Why? Because Zodiac wasn’t lying in the letter and directed him away from the murder (Fouke thought was just an attack), or because Donald Fouke just decided to head away from the crime scene for no reason whatsoever.

The zodiac has never, in my opinion, lied about anything. It’s all in an individual’s interpretation of the things stated that makes zodiac a liar.

Soze

"p.s. 2 cops pulled a goof abot 3 min after I left the cab. I was walking down the hill to the park when this cop car pulled up + one of them called me over + asked if I saw anyone acting suspicious or strange in the last 5 to 10 min + I said yes there was this man who was runnig by waveing a gun & the cops peeled rubber". This statement can be backed up by Fouke’s words and actions in 1989, along with his timeline and extensive detailed description of a white man he was not looking for. I have zero doubt Zodiac was stopped by the two cops, regardless of Fouke’s denials.