Agreed!

Soze

I have never said Pelissetti saw Zodiac, only that Lindsey was trying to point Zodiac out. Here is what the kids said "While Pelissetti was asking questions, Lindsey was trying to explain that the suspect was in sight on Cherry St. By the time Pelissetti got the point, they both looked and the Zodiac was gone".

They stated he was "in sight", which means visible on Cherry. I am only recounting what they said.
What is important, is the fact Donald Fouke headed to Arguello before he met Pelissetti. Why? Because Zodiac wasn’t lying in the letter and directed him away from the murder (Fouke thought was just an attack), or because Donald Fouke just decided to head away from the crime scene for no reason whatsoever.

Thank you for clearing that confusion. Where is that quote from?

It can be found somewhere on this forum, but here is the full transcript:

"As both Robbins kids were the oldest, their statements were the given the most weight. Also they were the least traumatized by the event. One of the kids (not sure which) noticed a cab parked outside (in that now famous spot) with the interior lights on. So when Lindsey told me that the light inside the car was like a spotlight, it was so bright. The first kid at the window said the driver looked "sick, or something". Lindsey and Rebecca went to the window and saw the driver laying across the front seat, head toward the passenger door. His head was in the lap of another man (passenger). Rebecca saw blood and said out loud, "he’s stabbing that man." She was seeing blood on the victim and saw the glint of a knife, so she assumed a stabbing was taking place. (No shots were heard by anyone). We know now that Zodiac was cutting off a large piece of Stine’s shirt with the knife. At this time, Lindsey went downstairs to get a better look at what was happening, while one of the kids upstairs called the police. Downstairs, the lights were off, so Lindsey knew he could not be seen from the outside. He got close to the window and watched his actions. He was shortly joined by Rebecca. They both watched and observed in silence as Zodiac pushed the driver to an upright position behind the steering wheel, exited the car and walked around the rear of the car and opened the driver’s door. Stine had fallen over onto the seat and Zodiac pulled him back up into the seated position and had some difficulty keeping him upright. Once upright, he was seen to have a rag, or something like a handkerchief and began to wipe down the door area and leaning over the driver, part of the dashboard. When he was finished, Zodiac calmly walked to Cherry St. and walked north. Not many know this, but Lindsey (being 16. feeling immortal, and believing the suspect to be armed with only a knife) ran out of his door to see where Zodiac was going. He ran to the corner of Cherry and watched as Zodiac continued his casual pace right up to the corner of Jackson & Cherry. At this exact point, the first SFPD car arrives with two officers. One, Pelissetti, approached Lindsey and tried to extract what was happening. The other officer went to the cab and found the bloody victim. While Pelissetti was asking questions, Lindsey was trying to explain that the suspect was in sight on Cherry St. By the time Pelissetti got the point, they both looked and the Zodiac was gone".

But is this from a police report? What is the source?

ETA: Disregard. I found it. This report doesn’t line up with what Pelissetti has said. He said the kids got no more than 15 or 16 feet from the cab, not all the way to the corner.

But is this from a police report? What is the source?

ETA: Disregard. I found it. This report doesn’t line up with what Pelissetti has said. He said the kids got no more than 15 or 16 feet from the cab, not all the way to the corner.

Pelissetti said a few things that aren’t backed up by facts and/or logic, such as: [1] He responded at 9:55 pm [2] Zodiac would have been smothered in blood and [3] I don’t think it was Zodiac that Fouke saw.

Again, as with most things Zodiac, it comes down to which source you trust the most.

I’m not sure with so many people, so much time passed, and so many moving parts that we will ever have a definitive answer.

Going by the text you highlighted Richard I cant say that I disagree with point 2 as the kids claim Stines head was in the killers lap.

Soze

Going by the text you highlighted Richard I cant say that I disagree with point 2 as the kids claim Stines head was in the killers lap.

Soze

That’s what the kids interpreted Soze, but I sincerely doubt it ever happened. Zodiac was many things, but he wasn’t a drooling idiot with the brains of an earthworm. He knows he is escaping on foot for a measurable period of time, and he knows he has just shot Paul Stine with blood pouring from his head wound. So what does Zodiac say to himself "Look at all that blood pouring from Paul Stine’s head – you know what – I think I am going to place Paul Stine’s head in my lap, and soak my trousers and underpants with his blood, then I am going to drip away from the crime scene". I know you don’t really believe that Soze. Zodiac may have been a sociopath, but even sociopaths aren’t that stupid. If the kids misinterpreted "he’s stabbing that man", I’m sure they can misinterpret other things too.

Here the source of the quote, (word-find for ‘traumatized’), from the surrounding
posts on that page it is evident the source was VPD officer James Dean.
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=402&p=1300&hilit=traumatized#p1300

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Chaucer, you said Armand Pelissetti said ‘the kids got no more than
15 or 16 feet from the cab, not all the way to the corner.’

There’s no need to regard this as if it were an inconsistency, instead consider thusly:
The taxi was stopped about a step or a half step off the kerb at a corner of
Cherry and Washington (specifically, the north east corner, with the taxi being in
front of 3898 Washington St).

Given that there are ‘four corners’ of the Cherry and Washington intersection,
both James Dean and Armand Pelissetti can both be correct – simply put,
the scenario occuring as; Lindsey Robbins came out of his house (situated on
the South East corner of Cherry and Washington St, front door opening onto
Washington St), Lindsey Robbins "ran to the corner of Cherry" …(I.E. the
South East corner)… "and watched as Z continued his casual pace right
up to the corner of Jackson & Cherry." (I.E. ‘Z’ walking northwards on the east
side of Cherry St.)

This makes rational sense – Lindsey Robbins wasn’t trying to chase Z, Lindsey
Robbins was trying to immediately move (after exiting his house) to see, to be
sure, that Z was continuing to walk north along Cherry St. (so as to be ready to
be able to quickly point out to patrolman Pelissetti where Z now was).

So then Lindsey Robbins commenced to move towards and talk to patrolman
Pelissetti whose patrolcar partner had by that time just looked at Stine dead in
the cab (at the north east corner of Cherry and Washington), however Pelissetti
moved quickly to intercept and sheppard young Lindsey Robbins away from the
vicinity of the cab (and shortly thereafter stop the other children who emerged
from the house), so it was as Pelissetti said ‘the kids got no more than 15 or 16
feet from the cab, not all the way to the corner.’ (NOTE- Pelissetti can be under-
stood in that sentence to be referring to the North East corner of Cherry and
Washington, where the cab was.)

I was doing some other research and ran across this in the CA DOJ report:

http://www.zodiackiller.com/DOJ28.html

“The witnesses reported they had not heard a gunshot.”

So, the teens attention to the scene occurred afterwards and places the phone call to the police at least a couple minutes after Stine was killed.

That sounds a fair assessment based on a Washington & Cherry murder. If the murder occurred one block earlier, then we may have to add a little extra.

Richard, you are of the opinion that the call went out at 9:58 rather than 9:55 as Pelissetti has stated. What makes you think so?

Richard, you are of the opinion that the call went out at 9:58 rather than 9:55 as Pelissetti has stated. What makes you think so?

Because that is what the police report says. "Upon responding to the above location" 909 (217) = shooting. 10-11=69/ 9:58 pm. You respond when you get the radio broadcast. The homicide was approximated to 9:55 pm.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/StineReport1.html

http://userwww.sfsu.edu/netart/crimezy/policecodes.html