Assuming the Gloves found on the front passenger side floor of the cab were left there by Z, then why? Is he leaving a red herring by wanting people to believe he was in the front when he was not until he climbed in after shooting Paul? Or was he in the front and just wanted everyone to know it and deliberately left the gloves there? Or, of course, the gloves could have been left by a fare from earlier that day and have nothing to do with the Zodiac.

Hard to know. They were soaked in blood though weren’t they? Still could have been left by another fare and Z just used them for something?

That was a good question Dag and I’m not sure I’ve seen it asked before. I got a confused impression as well WC reading the chat log regarding Carol’s seemingly definite no regarding were Z was riding in the cab. Given where Paul was shot though it does seem more convenient that the shooter was in the back seat.

WC, were the gloves where you said they were? I’m asking because I can’t remember and for whatever reason I thought they were in the back seat.

As for Z knowing Paul. Is it possible that he knew him but as a fare and not necessarily in everyday life. I mean, could Paul have had recourse to pick up Z up on a few occassions or is that unlikely?

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Pelissetti described Stine as having his head on the floorboard of the car. He was not dangling outside the cab. Therefore, somebody moved his body before the photo was taken. Regardless of who it was, the body could not have been photographed as it was found, since it was not dangling outside the cab when the police first arrived. There was no such thing as "paramedics" in today’s sense in those days, so the level of respect and professionalism that makes it seem abhorrent to imagine that he could have been left as he was photographed may not have existed in 1969.

Mike

Chappie – your mentioning of fouke saying the zodiac had a "semi-limp" is it possible that Kane had a limp? Possibly from his brain injury. Kinda like a stroke can cause you to limp.

Chappie – your mentioning of fouke saying the zodiac had a "semi-limp" is it possible that Kane had a limp? Possibly from his brain injury. Kinda like a stroke can cause you to limp.

All POI’s have this limp.

He wasn’t reported to be limping when he was observed leaving the cab and walking all the way down Cherry St by the witness nor as he briskly approached Bryan and Cecelia.

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Pelissetti described Stine as having his head on the floorboard of the car. He was not dangling outside the cab. Therefore, somebody moved his body before the photo was taken. Regardless of who it was, the body could not have been photographed as it was found, since it was not dangling outside the cab when the police first arrived. There was no such thing as "paramedics" in today’s sense in those days, so the level of respect and professionalism that makes it seem abhorrent to imagine that he could have been left as he was photographed may not have existed in 1969.

Mike

No, they tried to save his life..the crime scene photo is after the attempt to save his life..the police ushered every body out of that crime scene when he was pronounced deceased to preserve the evidence..it is still done like this today..i would argue the level of care and respect has gone down hill since 69..we can never put that crime scene back as it was left by Z unless police diagramed or photographed the scene just prior to medical personell and we just dont have those photos to my knowledge or if they even exist…i see nothing wrong with how stine was photgraphed and i would argue strongly that respect and due diligence was shown by those involved in trying to save his life..just my take-god speed

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Pelissetti described Stine as having his head on the floorboard of the car. He was not dangling outside the cab. Therefore, somebody moved his body before the photo was taken. Regardless of who it was, the body could not have been photographed as it was found, since it was not dangling outside the cab when the police first arrived. There was no such thing as "paramedics" in today’s sense in those days, so the level of respect and professionalism that makes it seem abhorrent to imagine that he could have been left as he was photographed may not have existed in 1969.

Mike

No, they tried to save his life..the crime scene photo is after the attempt to save his life..the police ushered every body out of that crime scene when he was pronounced deceased to preserve the evidence..it is still done like this today..i would argue the level of care and respect has gone down hill since 69..we can never put that crime scene back as it was left by Z unless police diagramed or photographed the scene just prior to medical personell and we just dont have those photos to my knowledge or if they even exist…i see nothing wrong with how stine was photgraphed and i would argue strongly that respect and due diligence was shown by those involved in trying to save his life..just my take-god speed

It would seem he was dead when they got there. ??

And IF he was alive with a chance to keep him that way, wouldn’t they have removed him from the vehicle? Not the best access to try and help a victim.

yes i am sure he was pronounced DOA…the police would have then told everybody to leave so they would not contaminate the scene further..thats why he was left as he was….he was not moved into that position for a photo by the crime scene photographer or any of the detectives..

yes i am sure he was pronounced DOA…the police would have then told everybody to leave so they would not contaminate the scene further..thats why he was left as he was….he was not moved into that position for a photo by the crime scene photographer or any of the detectives..

I would think he was dead on scene.

I don’t think they’d be checking his vitals and trying to get him to the hospital (before pronouncing him dead), but halt so a photographer could take photos. Not to mention just walking away with his head and arms dangling like that. Something is off, imo.

they would never have stopped tending to stine if he was alive so a photo could be taken..im sure there are many more photos i have never seen and may be others have never seen in regards to the crime scene..i do not know who called time of death or who had the authority to do it so yes may be he was being pulled from the car by the coroner and the crime scene detective wanted some more photos so they stopped (the photo is more thank likely date and time stamped so it could be hours later when crime scene was fully
processsed)..hard to say but i do not see any thing that seems off or weird about the photo..its just not there in my mind..god speed

Yes I am sure he was DOA and if they had a chance of saving his life they would not have left him in the vehicle. However, i do find the before and after photos of the blood puddle a little confusing.

in a nut shell thats where he drained out..i have seen it before when you arrive little blood (but DOA) and after an hour blood is pooled everywhere…body would not have been removed until the detective or investigator gave approval and we do not know time the photos were taken,,as above post i can bet its written on back of the photo or documented in report and you and I will never get all the info from sfpd cause this is "pending investigation"..

It would just seem more likely to me, this was before paramedics showed up. I cannot imagine them leaving him in that position. I know it is mentioned otherwise.