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CuriousCat
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Much clearer copy here at TV’s site…

http://www.zodiackiller.com/FBIConfession.html

spelled "victim".

As an aside, was doing a crossword this morning. Clue was "Ball of thread". Answer was "clew". I’m sure you all know who I immediately thought of.

 
Posted : April 23, 2018 7:25 pm
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Much clearer copy here at TV’s site…

http://www.zodiackiller.com/FBIConfession.html

spelled "victim".

As an aside, was doing a crossword this morning. Clue was "Ball of thread". Answer was "clew". I’m sure you all know who I immediately thought of.

AWESOME! nice clear copy

 
Posted : April 23, 2018 7:36 pm
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Thank you good people for the Confession Letter images but I am pretty sure the clear one on Tom’s site is the re-typed one. It is not the same as the fuzzy one posted above (you can tell by examining the last line in each) and unfortunately I assume it is the fuzzy one that is the original we want to examine.

 
Posted : April 23, 2018 8:09 pm
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Much clearer copy here at TV’s site…

http://www.zodiackiller.com/FBIConfession.html

spelled "victim".

As an aside, was doing a crossword this morning. Clue was "Ball of thread". Answer was "clew". I’m sure you all know who I immediately thought of.

AWESOME! nice clear copy

I think that’s a transcription. And transcribed incorrectly at that.

Let’s put it this way… if you can "read it clearly", it’s a transcription. What I have provided above is the FBI’s photocopy of the actual letter. There isn’t anything else out there of the original that I’m aware of. As it states below, it is "difficult to read".

 
Posted : April 23, 2018 8:21 pm
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I think that’s a transcription. And transcribed incorrectly at that.

Very well could be. Hopefully Tom will be along and let us know for certain.

EDIT : have since seen the post Druzer bumped here and I’m sure the one at TV’s site is a transcribed copy.

viewtopic.php?f=79&t=71&start=180

 
Posted : April 23, 2018 10:41 pm
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I think that’s a transcription. And transcribed incorrectly at that.

Very well could be. Hopefully Tom will be along and let us know for certain.

EDIT : have since seen the post Druzer bumped here and I’m sure the one at TV’s site is a transcribed copy.

http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.p … &start=180

Unfortunately Cat we may have come to yet another fork in this road. My money is still on the DOJ report being a verbatim reprint of the original text, but… If this photograph on the Enterprise Press site is the original letter rather than the retyped police version, which could have been retyped for print incorrectly, then the DOJ reprint is also inaccurate. At this link [ https://www.pe.com/2016/11/06/after-50-years-zodiac-hunters-police-still-seeking-cheri-jo-bates-killer/ ] you will see a slide show. The second image shows a photo of the confession letter that has the DOJ spelling of "minutes" (rather than minuts as presented in published police version) but retains the ellipsis after the word "Beware" which the DOJ did not. The DOJ version also wrote that the last line was "That was just a warning period" rather than "That was just a warning." This is so weird. The DOJ writes the word "brunette" rather than the police version "brownette". I can’t imagine what would motivate the DOJ to reprint an inaccurate version for their file but this photograph does present a third version. At any rate I assume Tom knows the score and I too hope he chimes in here or on the proper Confession Letter thread.

 
Posted : April 23, 2018 11:54 pm
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Well, surely at least the original in FBI custody is more legible, the one we see is barely readable, I can only make out very little and that’s mainly due to being familiar with the transcribed copy. I’ve heard every time a photo is copied it gets just a tiny bit worse. If this was bad to begin with it probably didn’t take much to make is more blurry, especially considering the technology of that time.

 
Posted : April 24, 2018 12:13 am
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It does seem to be true that there are only two references to "victoms" in the confirmed Zodiac correspondences. I wonder how the original 1966 Confession letter spelled the word. I have only seen the retyped police version which may not reflect the actual spelling of the original. If the Riverside killer did spell it with an "o" that would be a pretty compelling connection.

From the FBI files. Difficult to make out, but pretty sure it’s "victom".

You’re absolutely right. Your blurry version is the original. The other one (the one that is so popular) is the transcribed copy or "stage" copy for the public. I can guarantee it’s not any type of photo copy. That’s for sure.

 
Posted : April 24, 2018 3:59 am
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Richard just took the time to write an article about the confusion here.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-ne … er-retyped

 
Posted : April 24, 2018 7:08 pm
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Richard just took the time to write an article about the confusion here.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-ne … er-retyped

Thanks Druzer, and Richard. That ‘confession letter" in the Argosy magazine photo, I wonder if that is the original. It looks to be lying on a desk along with the envelope. I wonder because even though I can’t be sure looking at the photograph, it looks to be rather clear and legible as opposed to the blurry mess from the FBI file.

 
Posted : April 24, 2018 7:33 pm
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Hi

Richard just took the time to write an article about the confusion here.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-ne … er-retyped

I am a bit confused here. I checked out Richard’s corrected letter-I get that….but I do not seem to get or see where the “ period “ on the 27th line—- is actually spelled out in any of the letters. Which letter or article am I missing—that shows the word (period) spelled out?

The Best Mystery Is An Unsolved Mystery….

 
Posted : April 25, 2018 1:39 am
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Hi

Richard just took the time to write an article about the confusion here.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-ne … er-retyped

I am a bit confused here. I checked out Richard’s corrected letter-I get that….but I do not seem to get or see where the “ period “ on the 27th line—- is actually spelled out in any of the letters. Which letter or article am I missing—that shows the word (period) spelled out?

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4 … n_orig.jpg
The word "period" is on the 31st line of the DOJ report.

 
Posted : April 25, 2018 2:05 am
bmichelle
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Thank You Richard!! Much appreciated. It is difficult to keep all these Confession Letters straight. Thank goodness you labeled yours or someday it would be added to the confusion as well. ;)

The Best Mystery Is An Unsolved Mystery….

 
Posted : April 25, 2018 2:23 am
CuriousCat
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Hi

Richard just took the time to write an article about the confusion here.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-ne … er-retyped

I am a bit confused here. I checked out Richard’s corrected letter-I get that….but I do not seem to get or see where the “ period “ on the 27th line—- is actually spelled out in any of the letters. Which letter or article am I missing—that shows the word (period) spelled out?

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4 … n_orig.jpg
The word "period" is on the 31st line of the DOJ report.

I noticed the DOJ copy omits the " shook as I choaked her. Her lips twiched. She let out a scream once and". Might be more, that’s all I noticed.

 
Posted : April 25, 2018 2:38 am
CuriousCat
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Richard just took the time to write an article about the confusion here.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-ne … er-retyped

Thanks Druzer, and Richard. That ‘confession letter" in the Argosy magazine photo, I wonder if that is the original. It looks to be lying on a desk along with the envelope. I wonder because even though I can’t be sure looking at the photograph, it looks to be rather clear and legible as opposed to the blurry mess from the FBI file.

I think i’ve answered my own question here. That must be a copy in the Argosy photo since the ends don’t appear to be torn.

 
Posted : April 25, 2018 2:39 am
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