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When Ross’ dad died in 1968, did Ross receive an inheritance? I ask as Ross didn’t seem to have a decent paying job (dishwasher). Since the Zodiac used a vehicle, per survivor Mike, I wondered how, Ross, if he is the Zodiac, would scrounge up the money for a car. Maybe he traded in his motorcycle. But an inheritance from his Dad’s estate in 1968 might connect the dots about how he afforded a car (even if it was a used car).

 
Posted : December 15, 2017 9:28 pm
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When Ross’ dad died in 1968, did Ross receive an inheritance? I ask as Ross didn’t seem to have a decent paying job (dishwasher). Since the Zodiac used a vehicle, per survivor Mike, I wondered how, Ross, if he is the Zodiac, would scrounge up the money for a car. Maybe he traded in his motorcycle. But an inheritance from his Dad’s estate in 1968 might connect the dots about how he afforded a car (even if it was a used car).

That has been my thinking. Z admitted to driving a brown car at BRS. A few weeks later, he was seen driving a 1966 Impala (with mismatched tires). New car but can’t afford a set of tires? Dead dads car would explain that.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/faq/genfaq
The department began microfilming all vehicle and vessel documents in 1992.

It would be well worth it to see if any records are still available.

 
Posted : December 15, 2017 10:13 pm
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It’s been said by many here the tracks behind Bryan’s car couldn’t have been made by a Chevy…like an Impala. Those tracks are where the mismatched tires were.

So either the blue Chevy the three girls described wasn’t his, or the car behind Bryan’s wasn’t his.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : December 16, 2017 12:08 am
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He could’ve used Tim’s car if he was visiting or lived close enough. Does anyone know what kind of vehicle he owned?

 
Posted : December 16, 2017 12:22 am
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When Ross’ dad died in 1968, did Ross receive an inheritance? I ask as Ross didn’t seem to have a decent paying job (dishwasher). Since the Zodiac used a vehicle, per survivor Mike, I wondered how, Ross, if he is the Zodiac, would scrounge up the money for a car. Maybe he traded in his motorcycle. But an inheritance from his Dad’s estate in 1968 might connect the dots about how he afforded a car (even if it was a used car).

That has been my thinking. Z admitted to driving a brown car at BRS. A few weeks later, he was seen driving a 1966 Impala (with mismatched tires). New car but can’t afford a set of tires? Dead dads car would explain that.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/faq/genfaq
The department began microfilming all vehicle and vessel documents in 1992.

It would be well worth it to see if any records are still available.

Good point about Ross possibly receiving his dead Dad’s car. Would Ross’ Dad’s will be a public record document that is now searchable online? If so, perhaps Dad’s will lists the make and model of car as part of the inventory of estate assets. Wouldn’t it be interesting if Dad owned an Impala? Has anyone ever searched for the will?

 
Posted : December 16, 2017 2:40 am
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When Ross’ dad died in 1968, did Ross receive an inheritance? I ask as Ross didn’t seem to have a decent paying job (dishwasher). Since the Zodiac used a vehicle, per survivor Mike, I wondered how, Ross, if he is the Zodiac, would scrounge up the money for a car. Maybe he traded in his motorcycle. But an inheritance from his Dad’s estate in 1968 might connect the dots about how he afforded a car (even if it was a used car).

That has been my thinking. Z admitted to driving a brown car at BRS. A few weeks later, he was seen driving a 1966 Impala (with mismatched tires). New car but can’t afford a set of tires? Dead dads car would explain that.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/faq/genfaq
The department began microfilming all vehicle and vessel documents in 1992.

It would be well worth it to see if any records are still available.

Good point about Ross possibly receiving his dead Dad’s car. Would Ross’ Dad’s will be a public record document that is now searchable online? If so, perhaps Dad’s will lists the make and model of car as part of the inventory of estate assets. Wouldn’t it be interesting if Dad owned an Impala? Has anyone ever searched for the will?

He also could have received monetary inheritance and bought his own Impala.

 
Posted : December 16, 2017 4:08 am
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It appears a last will and testament becomes a public document if it is filed in probate, absent a court order to the contrary.

Ross’ dad was a resident of Manhattan, New York according to the obit. Looks like this is the process to possbily search for a will in Manhattan? ==>
http://www.nycourts.gov/courts/1jd/surr … rchers.pdf

The document states: "All records (with the exception of adoption records, which are sealed) may be searched for free in person. Hours of operation are Monday-Friday from 9:00am-5:00pm. Records from 1964 to the present are available on-site."

But it’s unclear if the 1964 to present records can be searched online…

 
Posted : December 16, 2017 4:48 am
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Posted : December 16, 2017 5:28 am
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Ok, Ross owned a VW and a motorcycle. That’d rule out Ross as a major suspect.

QT

VW’s have always been in high demand here in the US. With a VW and an MC you could make a swap for a pretty sweet ride.

 
Posted : December 16, 2017 7:49 am
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Since the Zodiac used a vehicle, per survivor Mike, I wondered how, Ross, if he is the Zodiac, would scrounge up the money for a car.

I bought my first car in ’78 for $300 dollars I saved up over the summer. Cars could be had pretty cheap back in the day.

 
Posted : December 16, 2017 7:52 am
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It’s been said by many here the tracks behind Bryan’s car couldn’t have been made by a Chevy…like an Impala.

Don’t know how you could tell that by looking at tire tracks unless the axle width was too narrow. If that’s the case a VW would be a likely suspect.

 
Posted : December 16, 2017 7:59 am
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It’s been said by many here the tracks behind Bryan’s car couldn’t have been made by a Chevy…like an Impala.

Don’t know how you could tell that by looking at tire tracks unless the axle width was too narrow. If that’s the case a VW would be a likely suspect.

Based on the police reports, the wheel track had to be around 56". Too narrow to be an Impala, but too wide to be a VW.

*We don’t know for sure Z was driving an Impala. An older Impala was seen parked at the LHR scene.

Looking into this there is a car that fits perfectly, a 1964-’68 Mustang was exactly 56.0"
The Mustang even had square tail lights as described in the reports.
*The Fincher movie had Z driving a Mustang, and it might have been based on what LE told them.

But we don’t know what Ross drove, so it’s all speculation.

 
Posted : December 16, 2017 8:49 am
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I’m a big Jimmy Buffett fan and in one of his live concerts from the 70’s. He brags how cool and easy it is to get you hands on a $200 dollar pick up truck. so not out of the realm for Ross getting a used vehicle back then on the cheap. Though it would help a lot tying him to one.

 
Posted : December 16, 2017 9:02 am
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That is anther thing and all PD should have checked into used cars that was sold in & around the years surrounding the Zodiac’s spree or more so shortly prior. Specially like Implala’s and etc that matched the witness description.

 
Posted : December 16, 2017 9:22 am
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It’s been said by many here the tracks behind Bryan’s car couldn’t have been made by a Chevy…like an Impala.

Don’t know how you could tell that by looking at tire tracks unless the axle width was too narrow. If that’s the case a VW would be a likely suspect.

Based on the police reports, the wheel track had to be around 56".

Not trying to be argumentative but that sounds speculative? The "had to be" part. I mean, either it is or it isn’t?

Before I go looking, is this from the LB attack report?

But we don’t know what Ross drove, so it’s all speculation.

Or if he drove at all around the time of the "known" Zodiac murders.

Since were speculating about cars and Ross being a possible suspect, one thing I have considered is the reason Stine was a victim. Ross, by the time of the Stine murder, because of his mental state had lost his drivers license, perhaps had his vehicle impounded or taken away by family, so he had to find a victim that he could walk to, and from.

 
Posted : December 16, 2017 9:45 am
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