I strongly reject any suggestion that Zodiac EVER gave clues to his identity. It makes no sense for him to do so, and stands in stark contrast to his multiple efforts to conceal his identity.

If he was intentionally leaving clues, then they had to be regarding the cipher solutions or details related to other crimes, not his name or anything similar.

I strongly reject any suggestion that Zodiac EVER gave clues to his identity. It makes no sense for him to do so, and stands in stark contrast to his multiple efforts to conceal his identity.

If he was intentionally leaving clues, then they had to be regarding the cipher solutions or details related to other crimes, not his name or anything similar.

Super duper strongly disagree. Concealing your identity would not include taking of a piece of Pauls shirt and mailing it back to the police or phoning the police multiple times and sending lots of letters codes drawings cards etc.. he taunted and goaded the blue meanies. he loved the game. hiding something in plain sight is something that would just blow his mind. Superiority complex accomplished he moved on.

Those were not clues to his identity though. They were just indications that he was the one committing the crimes. There is simply no proof – nothing – that Zodiac left clues about his IDENTITY. In fact, there is more evidence that he took great pains to conceal his identity and avoid identification.

Personally, I think it’s a complete waste of time to search for some clue that Zodiac intentionally left that would point to him. That said, I think it is certainly likely that he left unintentional clues.

The Tim Holt comic #30 contains much of the material on the Halloween card. Z tried a cipher, failed, created fake ciphers to taunt LE and the media, then eventually sought to create another puzzle. Thus, the HC. His name or some clue to it is in there. Taunting again, this time the target is Avery.
My take is the single eye which means O’ Sullivan in Gaelic and the cattle brand-type symbol which appears in another Holt comic surrounded by odd positioned letters which appear to spell the name ROSS. That would be the killer revealing his name in a clever manner that really has only been seen years later. It wasn’t a huge risk, just a slight one.

just a coincidence?

Harold Lowe?

actually two lowes.
a Howard Martin lived just around the corner and went to school with Cheri Jo Bates his dad was a post master at the university. mum owned a card shop? he made a comment about knowing Cheris misfortune
the other we know was Larry who was interviewed and lived with Donna Lass. ha ha L Lowe
just coincidences i`m sure

I found a Howard Martin Lowe (deceased) from Riverside, same guy? https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/pe/ob … =187337910

The Tim Holt comic #30 contains much of the material on the Halloween card. Z tried a cipher, failed, created fake ciphers to taunt LE and the media, then eventually sought to create another puzzle. Thus, the HC. His name or some clue to it is in there. Taunting again, this time the target is Avery.
My take is the single eye which means O’ Sullivan in Gaelic and the cattle brand-type symbol which appears in another Holt comic surrounded by odd positioned letters which appear to spell the name ROSS. That would be the killer revealing his name in a clever manner that really has only been seen years later. It wasn’t a huge risk, just a slight one.

If it was indeed Ross then he must have been lucid at the time. The card’s construction must have involved very precise craftsmanship.

The thing is, with this card, everyone with a POI has found something in regard to their POI. You can find just about anything you want to if you go looking for it.

That said–there is nothing wrong with looking, it’s sort of what we do.

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A side-note to earlier posts: Remember that "I’ll clue you in" was already written on the card–not handwritten on later. I think (as Richard Grinell mentioned), it must have given him a little chuckle when he found it among the greeting cards, since there was a good chance it was a jab at the Avery article.

The thing is, with this card, everyone with a POI has found something in regard to their POI. You can find just about anything you want to if you go looking for it.

That said–there is nothing wrong with looking, it’s sort of what we do.

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A side-note to earlier posts: Remember that "I’ll clue you in" was already written on the card–not handwritten on later. I think (as Richard Grinell mentioned), it must have given him a little chuckle when he found it among the greeting cards, since there was a good chance it was a jab at the Avery article.

yea i always liked that too. i`L.L clue you in

Well it’s speculation. You wouldn’t think a person would get much satisfaction out of creating secret messages that are so obscure they can’t be verified if they are discovered. Then again he may not have thought of it that way.

To my mind though it’s only worth looking for readily verifiable messages. What I mean by that is, if we for example folded the sheet exactly in half and a secret message was revealed that made coherent sense, I would describe that as a valid solution. The act of folding paper perfectly in half, whilst still arbitrary, also has intuitiveness to it.

If on the other hand I had to fold the sheet into a right triangle, than make a box, and finally stab a hole in the top 3 degrees off center to reveal a hidden message, I would have to conclude that it was a coincidence, since the method followed was arbitrary and seemingly random.

That to me is the problem with looking for clues, if we apply arbitrary methods and we do so over and over until we get a message, that’s not going to be the real solution. That’s just rolling the dice until you get a pair of ones.

Well it’s speculation. You wouldn’t think a person would get much satisfaction out of creating secret messages that are so obscure they can’t be verified if they are discovered. Then again he may not have thought of it that way.

To my mind though it’s only worth looking for readily verifiable messages. What I mean by that is, if we for example folded the sheet exactly in half and a secret message was revealed that made coherent sense, I would describe that as a valid solution. The act of folding paper perfectly in half, whilst still arbitrary, also has intuitiveness to it.

If on the other hand I had to fold the sheet into a right triangle, than make a box, and finally stab a hole in the top 3 degrees off center to reveal a hidden message, I would have to conclude that it was a coincidence, since the method followed was arbitrary and seemingly random.

That to me is the problem with looking for clues, if we apply arbitrary methods and we do so over and over until we get a message, that’s not going to be the real solution. That’s just rolling the dice until you get a pair of ones.

The thing is, with this card, everyone with a POI has found something in regard to their POI. You can find just about anything you want to if you go looking for it.

That said–there is nothing wrong with looking, it’s sort of what we do.

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A side-note to earlier posts: Remember that "I’ll clue you in" was already written on the card–not handwritten on later. I think (as Richard Grinell mentioned), it must have given him a little chuckle when he found it among the greeting cards, since there was a good chance it was a jab at the Avery article.

Hi Tahoe,

From your earlier statements, you believe the Halloween card is not a Zodiac Killer communication. Which infers one of the best amateur researcher finds (Tim Holt – Wheel of Death comic) regarding the Zodiac Killer case has nothing to do with the real Zodiac Killer in your opinion.

Your find might have driven the price of the Tim Holt comic number 30 way up for bad copies on Ebay. Recent "OK" copies have sold for 350, 600 and 700 dollars. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R … Complete=1

TIM HOLT #30 NOTORIOUS ZODIAC ISSUE GD GGA BONDAGE COVER SCARCE – Sold for 350 dollars.

The Bondage scene makes it sells and also even when Zodiac is not mention in the description on the other two that sold. Many Zodiac enthusiast are looking to buy this comic. IMO

The thing is, with this card, everyone with a POI has found something in regard to their POI. You can find just about anything you want to if you go looking for it.

This can be said for almost every piece of evidence in this case. It’s why I believe we should avoid the concept of "favorite POIs" entirely. It forces you to put on blinders and only see what you want to see, rather than see the whole story.

The thing is, with this card, everyone with a POI has found something in regard to their POI. You can find just about anything you want to if you go looking for it.

This can be said for almost every piece of evidence in this case. It’s why I believe we should avoid the concept of "favorite POIs" entirely. It forces you to put on blinders and only see what you want to see, rather than see the whole story.

True Chaucer.

And Shawn–I noticed that too. Just glad I picked up mine before it became so popular.

Funny thing is…you can look at it page by page online and save yourself hundreds! But if you want mine (featured on the History Channel), I’ll sell it to you for a farm.