Discovered by Chris Y and first posted here by The Foreigner – the 1962 Count Marco column mentioning a Red Phantom.

This shows that Zodiac may have been a Count Marco fan as early as 1962, and if this is Zodiac calling Count Marco a "Red Phantom" in 1962, 12 years before the Zodiac used Red Phantom in the famous letter to Count Marco, it shows that Zodiac may have lived in Chicago in the early 1960’s – just like Ted Kaczynski. To my knowledge, Ted is the only major Zodiac suspect who lived in Chicago in the 1960’s.

AK:

Some very interesting observation from Kite, who read this column and recognized the writing as having similarities to both known Zodiac writing and known Ted Kaczynski writing.

KITE:

As far as the difference between crimson and red is that crimson is a darker shade of red because of the addition of blue pigment. And simply put, Red Phantom sounds better than Crimson Phantom. My friend. I attended Harvard University. And when you see that statue of the dog in the sun it looks red. It looks red as all hell.
That’s absolutely unbelievable that RED PHANTOM was used previously in a Count Marco column, if I’m not mistaken. Is the term Red Phantom common enough to be found by chance in two articles like that or should we conclude that Zodiac, in all probability, read this 1962 letter? Did Zodiac write the 1962 letter? Did Zodiac write both the ’74 and ’62 letter? Did Zodiac write the ’74 letter and only read the ’62 letter, but was impressed by the reply? Is this not a major avenue of investigation–that Zodiac may have been in the Chicago area in 1962?

Note that in this article, the apparent advice of (seeing psychiatrists). And remember also, Zodiac used the word NASTY in the 1/29/74 note ("I will do something NASTY"), while here in 1962, the writer mentions (Nasty face).

[Ted Kaczynski also used this word in his letter to Ellen, "this nasty affair." – AK Wilks]

[The 1962 Count Marco "Red Phantom" writer said "Instead of sneaking up on women…, you should…

Zodiac once wrote(….instead of holding road races with their motorcycles to see who could make the most noise, the car drivers should have…). Compare to the 1962 article.

KITE:

And look at the context of (sneaking up on women like a red phantom)[Very Zodiac like isn’t it – brings to mind the murder of Cheri Bates and Besty Aardsma – AK] .

An even more direct comparison than the one I used from a Zodiac letter above is:

Instead of encouraging your city to grow, you should realize how lucky you are to live in a small town.

That’s the 1970 Minnesota letter [to the newspaper editor] signed by Ted Kaczynski. Here in 1962:

Instead of sneaking up on women like a red phantom…., you should work openly and usefully…..

AK:

So the 1962 "Red Phantom", the Zodiac AND Ted Kaczynski all used a formulation, rather dictatorial, pedantic and teacher like, of "INSTEAD OF…YOU SHOULD…"

Some interesting observations from unazod posters tomc and kite.

Does anyone have any thoughts on what I posted so far? Pro or con? I find it quite interesting that both Zodiac and Kaczynski use the same formulation as the 1962 "red phantom" writer to the Count Marco column, the "instead of…you should" sentence! And I find it interesting that Kaczynski is the only major Zodiac suspect who lived in Chicago in the early 1960’s. Maybe nobody else does?

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TOMC:

I went back to the microfilm of the San Francisco Chronicle in June-July, 1974, to check Count Marco’s column. Count Marco (Mark Spinelli) wrote a woman’s advice column for the paper, which appeared in the "Society" pages Monday through Friday. His columns could be outrageous, and readers had a love/hate relationship with them. I wanted to see what might have triggered the Zodiac to send the "Red Phantom (red with rage)" letter. The letter was postmarked "July 8", a Monday, and sent from San Rafael, CA.

The letter reads: "Editor—Put Marco back in the hell-hole from whence it came—he has a serious psychological disorder—always needs to feel superior. I suggest you refer him to a shrink. Meanwhile, cancel the Count Marco column. Since the Count can write anonymously, so can I ——the Red Phantom (red with rage)"

Beginning with the June 17th column, for the next 2 1/2 weeks Count Marco’s column covered issues ranging from hats to girls as slobs and apple pie. Then, on July 3rd, a Wednesday, his column dealt with psychiatrists and psychologists. It concluded with the lines "You don’t need psychiatry. All you need is the Count Marco column." On the 4th and 5th, the column’s covered "Is Being Called Sexy Degrading" and "Swinging In Marriage".

However, the July 8 column, the date of the postmark, was titled "Why Older Men Have Trouble In Bed"–discussing male impotency in men over 40. (Kaczynski would have been 32 at the time.) Was this the triggering column that so enraged Zodiac, that he mailed the Red Phantom letter? And why?

Consider the following items.

1) Kaczynski, when he had his "turning point" in 1966, writes that at the time, he "wanted to kill that psychiatrist and anyone else whom I hate."

2) In the July 3, 1974 column, Count Marco equates his advice with the level of a psychiatrist, only better that a psychiatrist.

3) In his autobiographical journal, Kaczynski states that when he developed his plan to work 2 years (at Berkeley) to save money to move to the wilderness, he would have to keep himself from reading newspapers. He says, if "I read papers regularly I would build up too much tense and frustrated anger against politicians, dictators, businessmen, scientists, communists, and others in the world who were doing things that endangered me or changed the world in ways I resented." Reading papers, in his own words, could produce a rage in him.

4) The June 12, 1970 letter to the Brainerd (MN) Daily Dispatch, shows Kaczynski could respond with a letter to a newspaper after reading some article that had triggered a response in him.

5) Kaczynski was no stranger to sexual frustration. From the 1966 psychiatrist episode, it was sexual frustration that triggered his desire to kill.

Did Count Marco, in these 2 columns dealing with psychiatry and impotence, combine to trigger the enraged Zodiac to write the "Red Phantom" letter? An enraged Zodiac because he knew years of sexual frustration, hated psychiatrists, could be easily angered by what he read in a newspaper, and had a history of writing letters to newspapers?

I think this provides some decent clues to who the Zodiac was/is, and why the Red Phantom letter was written and sent

The color crimson is just darkened with blue pigment but it is a shade of red. I attended Harvard University my friend. When you walk by that statue of the dog in the sun it is as red as all hell. You never think of it is the crimson dog, but as a red dog.

With this new information I find it very had to look at anybody as a suspect in the zodiac killings except for Ted Kaczynski. We can place him in every place that clues were. Letters from Chicago in 1962 after he graduated Harvard in the spring of that year. And more importantly in the Bay area while the Zodiac killings occurred. I think we can say we have bracketed Ted Kaczynski in here. His affinity for writing letters was what got him caught for the Unbomber crimes. I believe that Ted Kaczynski started as the Zodiac killer. When he discovered the terror he created by using bombs, that he switched entirely over to bombings. I believe we saw the metamorphosis which occurred during the Zodiac killings. All this new evidence is very strong proof that Ted Kaczynski was the Zodiac Killer.

There’s really no way anybody could solve this unless they had gone to Harvard University and knew about the statue there of Phantom. That’s the Red Phantom. Thank goodness I went to Harvard thank God I came on this forum to help solve this mystery. I’ve been studying the Zodiac for many years and I was pretty sure I was going to be instrumental in solving this. It just took a long time. Now I can take a little well-deserved break.

Of all the named POI’s, I think TK is the most likely, and this is all interesting information consistent with the possibility. The biggest problem with the TK hypothesis, IMO, is the Z408. We know that TK intentionally disguised his level of sophistication to throw off investigators, but the 408 would have to be considered an extreme form of that, especially if the 340 is real.

Tk is viable poi but to say he was in every venue therefore he is the z is somewhat of a head scratcher…..KQ and ALA were in riverside and have vallejo proximity….TK has never explicity been placed in riverside..of course CJB (Ross) may not have any connection to z..TK is still alive if only we could convince the fbi to do a dna analysis….fbi seems to have no interest in doing that….what would propel TK to pick vallejo as his AO?…at this point only response is criminals dont shit where they live….that is only argument i can accept….ask yourself, will everything we know about TK hold under cross examination?? ….

Ps: TK had a hood found in his cabin and his fake shoe soles was smart…yea i like TK but no way will i say he is the Z but i will say of all the poi’s and others TK ia a proven killer of man….i know of no other poi where that can be said

Tk is viable poi but to say he was in every venue therefore he is the z is somewhat of a head scratcher…..KQ and ALA were in riverside and have vallejo proximity….TK has never explicity been placed in riverside..of course CJB (Ross) may not have any connection to z..TK is still alive if only we could convince the fbi to do a dna analysis….fbi seems to have no interest in doing that….what would propel TK to pick vallejo as his (Area of Operation)?…at this point only response is criminals dont shit where they live….that is only argument i can accept….ask yourself, will everything we know about TK hold under cross examination?? ….

Ps: TK had a hood found in his cabin and his fake shoe soles was smart…yea i like TK but no way will i say he is the Z but i will say of all the poi’s and others TK is a proven killer of man….i know of no other poi where that can be said

Yes, Ted K is the only major serious suspect who has a known ability and propensity to kill people – and write letters to newspapers about it, design bombs, threaten mass transit, write about a desire to kill couples and possess a handmade black hood.

In regards to your question as to why he would pick areas like Vallejo to attack in, I can mention two possible answers.

First, you hinted at it, Ted K. (beyond genius IQ of 167) was simply too smart to pick a crime locale where he was known or officially linked. He picked areas he had no established, known official link.

Second, Jelberg noticed something very interesting.

Jelberg compared the strike patterns of the Zodiac Killer (SF & North Cal Area, 12/20/68 – 10/11/69, including September 27, 1969) and the Tylenol Killer (Chicago Area, September 27, 1982).

Jelberg: (First map is Zodiac Killer locations, with TJK’s Berkeley residence in the middle ). (Second map is) of the Tylenol Killer locations, with TJK’s parent’s house [in Lombard] in the middle.

They may not be exact mirror images, but there is a strange geometry/chirality to the locations of the crime scenes of Z and the Tylenol Killer.

And Ted just happened to live at the central location of each.

AK Wilks: Zodiac Symbol, a gun crosshair, also a math unit circle. Kaczynski Symbol, an Algiz Rune – Yggdrasil symbol, spray painted by the Unabomber on the campus of a bomb target.

And UnaZod symbol, which combines the crosshair symbol of the Zodiac Killer and the Kaczynski Device, a Yggdrasil Symbol / Algiz Rune.

Excellent work Jelberg!

Doug Oswell did notice the Chicago area strike pattern in relation to the Kaczynski home. And I once commented on the rough similarity of the Chicago and California strike patterns and their possible similarity to the Norse Algiz Rune – Yggdrasil symbol that Ted liked. Ted once sprayed a Yggdrasil symbol on the campus of a bomb target. Based on information I provided them, a FBI task force sought to get Kaczynski’s DNA in regard to the Tylenol Murders. Incredibly, I believe a more senior, higher up faction at the FBI prevented this from happening, for reasons I do not know. Or, it was just the usual incompetence and red tape. The FBI requested a DNA sample from Ted, and he refused. The FBI team I was working with said they would seek a court order. That is when either the higher faction blocked it and/or incompetence, bureaucracy and legal red tape blocked it.

But I never matched Chicago and California the way you did, proving that a TJK residence was centered in both cases, in much the same way.

At one time, I was looking at unsolved family and / or college girl murders, were the father works in high tech, computers and / or politics, and saw a possible pattern of another Yggdrasil connecting the murder sites. Robison – Percy – Aardsma – Bricca – Sims. Ann Arbor is just west of Detroit, and would be a center point of this strike pattern, just as the Kaczynski homes in Lombard, IL and Berkeley, CA were the center points in those strike patterns. Ann Arbor being the home of the University of Michigan, and home to Ted Kaczynski, as he earned his PHD there. Remembering how Zodiac seemed to like and recognize anniversaries of murders, Bricca murders were on September 27, 1966, matching the date of Zodiac attack at Lake Berryessa, September 27, 1969, and Tylenol Murders, September 27, 1982.

The Norse Algiz Rune – Yggdrasil means "World Tree". The Yggdrasil, "world tree" is where Norse ceremonies and meetings were held. Wedding, village councils, etc. It was also where court was held, and transgressors executed. The Algiz Rune – Yggdrasil also means "to strike, to mark with blood, to wound severely." The Algiz Rune also translates to the Anglo – Saxon letter Z.

Also, the Zodiac Phillips 66 Map he sent in, with his drawing of a crosshair on the map, the westward line of Zodiac’s drawing points not just to the City of Berkeley, as you correctly noted Jelberg, but directly and exactly to the University of California Berkeley, then the home of Ted Kaczynski.

Riverside to Berkeley to North Cal Zodiac Points of Interest

TJK Home in Berkeley as Center of Zodiac Attacks Pattern is Unabomber Symbol (Yggdrasil – Algiz Rune) With Zodiac Symbol

Incredibly amazing coincidences! And I am not much of a believer in coincidences!

Just imagine the repercussions if TK was Z, Unabomber, the [Midwest] College Girls Murderer AND the Tylenol killer! He would be the ultimate movie super villain

Correct Margie and Claypooles. If it can be established it would certainly teach us a lot about serial murder cases. Coincidences do happen, but in looking at a certain set of facts and you pile on incredible coincidence after coincidence after coincidence, eventually you begin to get suspicious.

Aside from the geographic patterns and other coincidences explored here, consider briefly the following. In 1968 there was the dawn of two (?) different serial killers who used astrological names devised from the word Zodiacus – The Zodius (6/25/68 Michigan, near Summer Solstice) and The Zodiac (12/20/68 California, near Winter Solstice).

There were three names used by the killer(s) in these cases: Dr. Guidini, ZODIUS, ZODIAC.Out of 200,000 words tested, there is only one actual, real word or name that produces all three names in a ten based Caesar code matrix, normal left to right read, correct spelling, no anagrams. That name is Kaczynski.

Both used Winchester. 22 Super X ammo, from gun with six lands and grooves, right twist. Police in both the Zodius and Zodiac cases mentioned the most likely weapon consistent with the ballistics findings in their respective cases was a (Sears) JC Higgins .22 pistol.

Both fired through glass windows (Zodius house windows, Zodiac car windows). Both wrote to newspapers giving inside knowledge of their crimes and demanding their names appear in the paper. Both targeted a male- female couple (one with kids present).

If Zodiac was responsible for the June 1963 Santa Barbara killings of Domingos and Edwards, then Zodius shares with him the following traits: Exposing the female, stacking bodies and covering bodies with a blanket.

Body in Robison murder case covered with blanket – two other bodies were stacked

Ballistics report in Robison murder case Michigan 6-25-68 (Zodius)

Ballistics report in Faraday – Jensen murder case California 12-20-68 (Zodiac)

Ad demanded by Zodius, who had inside knowledge of Robison murders

Ten based Caesar shift matrix of Kaczynski

Similarities and matches between ZODIUS and ZODIAC cases

Also: The mysterious Mr. Roebert in the Robison murders, who may have the killer Zodius, called from San Francisco.
Also: Both Zodius and Zodiac used math symbols – Zodiac a unit circle, Zodius triangles.

"from gun with six lands and grooves, right twist"

Excuse my ignorance here … does this mean that the bullets recovered from the scenes had these characteristics??? That is the way it reads to me. Since there doesn’t seem to be a way to acquire or test Ted K’s DNA …. couldn’t these bullets be compared to prove if they are a match or not? COuld the FBI or court be petition by a laymen to do so?? Something definitive at all would be a step in the right direction that might start the ball rolling downhill instead of uphill for once on this/these cases.

Also – Does anyone have any idea what David K’s middle name is? (Yes … I have googled for the last 30 minutes with no luck!) Does it start with an "R"?? That would be quite interesting since "Guidini" (after being Cesar’d) means Kaczynski … Then DR. Guidini could be David R Kaczynski. Not implying at all that David is involved in any wrong doing!

There are SO many incredibly compelling reasons to test DNA…the bullets … open the TK is Z discussion within the FBI and get this thing solved. FOR ME … there is just not one question in my mind who the Zodiac is. Not ONE. They talked the same, killed the same, had the same issues (IMO) with people, wrote the same, both knew and enjoyed ciphers …. the list is a MILE LONG.

Margie

Margie: "from gun with six lands and grooves, right twist"

Excuse my ignorance here … does this mean that the bullets recovered from the scenes had these characteristics??? That is the way it reads to me. Since there doesn’t seem to be a way to acquire or test Ted K’s DNA …. couldn’t these bullets be compared to prove if they are a match or not? COuld the FBI or court be petition by a laymen to do so?? Something definitive at all would be a step in the right direction that might start the ball rolling downhill instead of uphill for once on this/these cases.

AK Wilks:Yes, the bullets recovered from the scene of the Zodius murder in Michigan on 6/25/68 shared common characteristics with the bullets recovered from the scene of the Zodiac murder in California on 12/20/68. These common characteristics include the following:

3. Moreover, police in both cases, looking at rifling, ejection marks and other aspects, declared that a Sears JC Higgins pistol was the pistol tested that was most compatible with the bullets recovered, and most likely to have been the pistol used.(See the marked ballistics report above from both the Robison (Zodius) murders and the Faraday – Jensen (Zodiac) murders).

Margie: Also – Does anyone have any idea what David K’s middle name is? (Yes … I have googled for the last 30 minutes with no luck!) Does it start with an "R"?? That would be quite interesting since "Guidini" (after being Cesar’d) means Kaczynski … Then DR. Guidini could be David R Kaczynski. Not implying at all that David is involved in any wrong doing!

AK Wilks: That is an interesting observation, but I should have clarified I have a likely explanation for the "Dr." part of the name "Dr. Guidini" used by the killer. First, remember that Ted K had a PHD from the University of Michigan, and thus had earned the title "Dr.". Also, in the ten based Caesar code matrix the first two letters (TH) in his first name +10 Caesar shift to DR. See below.

Margie: There are SO many incredibly compelling reasons to test DNA…the bullets … open the TK is Z discussion within the FBI and get this thing solved. FOR ME … there is just not one question in my mind who the Zodiac is. Not ONE. They talked the same, killed the same, had the same issues (IMO) with people, wrote the same, both knew and enjoyed ciphers …. the list is a MILE LONG.

AK Wilks: I agree. At times I have been active in the case, at times frustration and/or other pursuits, problems or life activities have caused me to put the case on the back burner. Based in parts on new things I (and others) have discovered, the possibility of finally developing real Zodiac DNA and advances made by police in some of the midwest cases, I am now going to make an all out push in the case. To get Ted K DNA compared to Zodiac DNA (if it is developed), to get the bullets recovered in Zodius and Zodiac compared to each other, which may show that they were not just fired by the same TYPE of gun (JC Higgins), but by the exact same gun. And other things.

I was planning on taking a well deserved break from this case. I was pondering my options contemplating my next move. Then it hit me like a ton of bricks. I am needed here more than my desire for relaxation. Taking a break from this action is out of the question. This is the time to press on. It must be finished up.

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Just a quick question about what the schaumburg location is marking on the Tylenol murder map?
I can account for all the locations but that one?
if anyone has an idea let me know
thanks!

and as for David kaczynski when you do a search on him he has several names that come up

David r kaczynski
AKAs:
David Kaczynski
David R Kaczynski
William Terry Morrison
William T Morrison
Terry W Morrison
W L Morrison
William Morrison
Terry Morrison

Cyanide Tylenol was placed on the shelves of the Osco store, at the WOODfield Mall in Schaumburg, Illinois. Continuing the criminal signature of Ted in that he used nature trees and wood references in his crimes. I maintain that the Zodiac did as well. See viewtopic.php?f=102&t=1018 .

I no longer pay much attention to such cryptic finds, but one of the most fascinating ones (IIRC found by Ricardo) was the fact that the Tylenol murders caused the words cyanide Tylenol to be placed together in thousands of newspapers.

CyanideTylenol.

Backwards it reads:

Lonelytedinayc.

Lonely Ted In a YC.

For one victim, Mary McFarland, it was never established where she purchased the tainted Tylenol. But she worked at the shopping mall – office park Yorktown Center in Lombard. Did she buy it at a drug store in the Yorktown Center?

Ted’s Family Home in Lombard was just minutes away from the Yorktown Center. Was Ted leaving another clue? Or if Ted was indeed also the Zodiac, was it a clue to a much earlier killing, one that took place in October of 1969?

Lonely Ted In a YC.

Lonely Ted in a Yorktown Center?

LONELY TED IN A YELLOW CAB?

Probably just a coincidence. But David reported that along with his fascination with mathematics, shapes, geometry and numbers, Ted as a teenager was also fascinated with puns, word puzzles and the game Scrabble.

I think that in Ted’s codes there is often an A code and a B code, sometimes two or three secondary meanings alongside the main meaning within the same code.

Cryptic finds can be very interesting. Just like anagrams. But as I’ve learned from Doranchak and Glurk, anagrams are subject to multiple interpretations and thus any one interpretation cannot be relied upon as the one and only correct intended solution. The same problem exists with most possible cryptic finds.

You can see the more substantial evidence I developed on the Tylenol Murders at the link above. The number one anti – corporate terrorist in America had his family home within 20 minutes of all the sites that had cyanide Tylenol placed on their shelves. At the exact epicenter in fact.