I think that is a stretch~and almost borderline inappropriate to bring up.

Sure things are "possible", but I don’t know why it would even be taken into consideration? Either Ted fits the bill or he doesn’t–why the need to question the possibility of his brother’s involvement?

Why? Because like I said David was ostensibly traveling with Ted during the time period of the last two attacks, looking for land. If you think Ted did do it, mainly because of the similarity of the two media circuses, then you have to deal with the fact that David might have known about it, or he might have just suspected, or he might have actively helped TK. Or maybe he wasn’t traveling with him during all of that time. We don’t have a complete rundown of what dates they were traveling together, looking for land. And David does look a little like the PH composite. And, having a getaway driver would help explain why they never tracked down the Zodiac at PH. And, it’s my understanding the two brothers were very close.

Doug Oswell raised this issue before, but only briefly mentioning the question of whether David could have ever acted as an accomplice. Doug looked more at the question if David knew more about possible Unabomber and even Zodiac actions of Ted early on than he revealed. He cites the unpublished manuscript of a book by a friend of David presumably written with information and ideas from David. The "fictional" book was about a Berkeley professor who hates and fears technology and computers, and acted out by doing knife murders. Hmm, sound like anyone we know? But I’ve never seen any evidence David acted as an accomplice. Had David been an Accomplice he would not have turned in his brother, putting himself at risk. And if he had Ted would have returned the favor.

Well, it seems if what his brother says is true, they spent the whole summer of 1969 together.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/s … -unabomber

So if one believes David (and there is no reason not to), you’d pretty much HAVE to go down that road—or dismiss Ted as a suspect.

I think it very unfortunate to mix David up in this matter, as a potential murderer and/or accomplice, to help justify Ted as Zodiac.

It’s my understanding he pretty much HAD to turn in his brother because he told his wife about his suspicions, and she MADE him rat out Ted. Otherwise, she would have done it herself, so it was a better option for him to do it so he could have some control over any deals made, etc. If he was traveling around with Ted and Ted committed one or more murders and David knew about it but kept his mouth shut, then he was basically an accomplice anyway. And Ted would understand the situation somewhat and be happy David ratted him out only for the Unabomber stuff and not the Zodiac crimes. I’d like to learn more about that fiction manuscript mentioned above— is this confirmed by multiple sources?

"…if one believes David (and there’s no reason not to)"—he could have made up the story to give Ted a half-ass alibi for the Zodiac murders. Not a solid alibi because David never revealed all the places and dates of the trip, as far as I know. Possibly because the trip was completely or partially fictitious.

You would HAVE to think it fictitious if you think Ted was Zodiac.

It is also possible David is just mistaken about the year. David thought Ted left California to come back to live with his parents in the fall-winter of 1969, while telling the FBI his memory was "vague" and "dream like". In fact Ted has written that it happened in 1971. David may be similarly mistaken about the year of the trip.

"You would HAVE to think it’s fictitious if you think Ted was the Zodiac." Why? The story is they were traveling around the entire western US, and Canada. California is one of the places they were looking, if I remember correctly. It’s only natural that Ted would want to show his brother around the bay area a little since they were basically two close brothers traveling around. You’d assume that sight seeing, maybe a little skirt chasing, who knows what all was included under the rubric of "traveling around looking for land." I’m not an expert on the life of Ted K, but as far as I know David was his only friend close enough to take a trip like this with.

"You would HAVE to think it’s fictitious if you think Ted was the Zodiac." Why? The story is they were traveling around the entire western US, and Canada. California is one of the places they were looking, if I remember correctly. It’s only natural that Ted would want to show his brother around the bay area a little since they were basically two close brothers traveling around. You’d assume that sight seeing, maybe a little skirt chasing, who knows what all was included under the rubric of "traveling around looking for land." I’m not an expert on the life of Ted K, but as far as I know David was his only friend close enough to take a trip like this with.

Because if it is NOT fictitious then David would have had to have known about it. Lots happened in the summer of 1969 and if Ted was pulling all this off and David was with him, David would have had to have known.

So, if you believe David’s version of their time spent together in 1969, you must be considering him an accomplice–it is the only way to justify it.

(Aside of AK’s explanation of possibilities)

Well, he was either an accomplice by remaining silent or an accomplice by physically aiding and abetting, or it’s possible that Ted slipped away for the murders, maybe when David was checking out some real estate alone. I mean there’s a lot we don’t know about this trip, like: (1) Was there actually a trip?; (2) If there was a trip, where did they go and on what dates?; and (3) Were they ever separated? If David made up this story about the trip or if he "accidentally on purpose" GOT THE YEAR WRONG, he’s also guilty of covering up for a murderer. That is, if Ted was the Z. For a smart graduate of an ivy league college, David’s memory seems to be suspiciously poor. Like maybe he knows a lot more than he’s telling, but he’s playing dumb.

It wasn’t just murders though. There were letters, a costume, a variety of weapons. Zodiac was reading newspapers–starting with the Vallejo papers–not so widely available as the SF Chronicle. They would have had to spend months in the Bay Area.

I mean, really, the only explanation that would be plausible is AK’s. If it can be proven this trip happened in 1969, I’d say no dice for Mr. K.

OK, I see what you’re saying. Well, to the best of my knowledge nobody can say where Ted K was after he quit his job. One thing about David, though—–the FBI loved him. He brought in the Unabomber on a silver platter. Therefore, they weren’t going to subject any story David spouted to unnecessary scrutiny, probably. And, we don’t know what deals, if any, were made. The similarities in messing with the press, and handwriting as well, make TK a strong suspect. I don’t necessarily want to accuse his little brother of anything without proof, but I just threw out the possibility of David possibly helping Ted out in some of his Zodiac activities. David looks a little like this composite at the top of this page, but I guess a lot of guys look like that.

David did travel with Ted in 1969 to look for land "out west" (from a Chicago perspective). However when David was quoted as saying it took place "in the summer of 1969", that was true, but it did not take place the entire summer of 1969, it was just for a few weeks in late August 1969 to early September 1969. One of these days Im going to do what Doranchal and others suggested, do a complete TK and Z timeline, to show how they match up.

The last Z activity of Aug 1969 was mailing a letter on Aug 3rd, the next Z activity was the September 27, 1969 Lake Berryessa murder. Ted’s last day of work at Berkeley was June 30, 1969. So the period of travel with Ted and Dave took place in late Aug and early September, meaning no conflict with Z activities, meaning it is not necessary for David to have been an accomplice or have guilty knowledge of Ted’s Z activities. I have sources and cites for the travel time, will try to find and post them this week.

One very interesting fact: Zodiac said on 9/27/69 to Bryan Hartnell that he had escaped from "Deer Lodge, Montana", an obscure but beautiful small town that has a state prison. How many people in California would have heard of that town, and why would it be on their minds that they would mention it? I think the number would be very small. But Ted had just driven through or by this tiny town in the middle of nowhere with his brother weeks earlier, and he remarked how beautiful an area it was. It made such an impression that it was within an hour of where Ted would buy the cabin he would live in the rest of his life.