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Marclean
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Once you have done this reconstruction , can BS mine, I do not know if it’s silly, I came to my mind the music of Beatles (HELP ME). :roll:
this stretch

Help me if you can I’m feeling down
And I do appreciate you being ’round
Help me get my feet back on the ground
Will not you please, please, help me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ApstMKNEMI

Do not think he really wanted to help, it was liar and a fake AS MF.
A poor soul !!

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Posted : November 12, 2015 4:36 am
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In this link provided by Tom V., Vince Repetto shows up and talk about Ted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMAPDOm5WVs


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : November 12, 2015 5:46 am
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Marclean – great work. Thanks again.

Tahoe- I’ll eventually watch it all, but when does he talk about Ted? At about what time in the video? Mostly pro or con?

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Posted : November 12, 2015 6:06 am
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I can’t remember…I will watch again and advise. :)


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : November 12, 2015 6:22 am
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Ted comes up at 11:55. He is just mentioned very briefly. The Unabomber typed all his letters so when they first looked at Ted for Zodiac they had little of his handwriting. I don’t know how much they had or who did the examining. Repetto says the FBI told him no match.

I’ve dealt with handwriting experts in court, and one with excellent training and credentials says one thing. And another one with equal training and credentials says the exact opposite.

But the info I have was that someone hired by SFPD did the comparison, when they did not have much of Ted’s handwriting or any of his early handwriting. And the conclusion was while they could not make a "match" they did NOT rule out Ted on the basis of handwriting, as they did with Allen and every other suspect. Anyway you can see, based on the work of Marclean, the handwriting of Z and TK is virtually indistinguishable. Three stroke "k", five stroke "m", checkmark "r", spacing, etc.

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Posted : November 12, 2015 6:31 am
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Sorry, but I see and I will not even watch videos that celebrate crimes.
No respect and will never respect "Z researchers" who take money to gain it all.
One thing is to write books on Z, it should and must be paid according to the quality and success.
Also make movies about it, should also have their credits .But , i believe that some percentage of it (money), or should be passed on to descendants of victims dead or living, or maybe for a research fund on (with serious people and honest)
Arrange tours at the sites of crimes (I’m disgusted with people taking beers), with false respect for the dead by ZMF is definitely the brand that some people have no character at all.
If someone here has this behavior, did or does this, I am sorry, that’s all.

Marclean – great work. Thanks again.

Mr AK, I’m checking other things around TK however connected to the Z codes. (map ,z340 etc)

Once I’ve finished this share
cheers
Marcelo :)

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Posted : November 12, 2015 7:10 am
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Marclean and AK Wilkes – INCREDIBLE work!! I am 99% on board with TK being Z. I have felt that for a long time – but the line by line comparisons are just overwhelming. Not to go over all the reasons that I feel Z and TK are one in the same – but the spacing of words in the letter and the sentence structure Z and TK both use are undeniably similar.

Now – here is my 1% of uncertainty. TK’s voice. I am sure that many have heard the TK interview – seen here if not:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6mYuNd6uhY

He has a very whiney nasally voice. Nothing like what has been described by Hartnell or Nancy Slover, etc.

Yes – people could disguise their voice. He certainly disguised his shoe size and wore a hoodie and glasses to disguise his appearance so it’s not unheard of that he could have disguised his voice.

Are there any known instances where it shows TK disguising his voice?

(I may have just talked myself into the obvious belief that TK would have certainly disguised his voice very believably. His voice is very distinct – he would have HAD to disguise that part of his identity)

Well – again I say INCREDIBLE work you guys.

 
Posted : November 13, 2015 6:55 am
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Thank you Margie :)
Marcelo

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Posted : November 16, 2015 4:20 am
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Yes thanks very much, glad you liked the work.

Well Z was reported having a flat, momotone voice, no clear accent. That sounds like an affectation. I would love for Z voice witnesses to hear Ted’s voice. This is a comp of Ted’s voice and the voice of EAR/ONS. Also a video of comps of Ted to sketches. Both videos done with help of AweShucks. Ted was known to adopt other personas, this may well have extended to voices. He did put cotton balls in his mouth, those would affect his speech as well as his appearance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEVI3qoD-jE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dszK9vSNmf4

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Posted : November 17, 2015 11:32 pm
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I agree that the handwriting is eerily similar. Makes me wonder, what exactly does the FBI say that definitively rules Ted out as Z?

They really don’t say that. at least not to me or publicly that I know of. I was never told by the FBI or SFPD that Ted was "cleared" of being Zodiac. And I have never seen a press release from the FBI or SFPD stating Ted has been "definitively cleared" of the Zodiac crimes.

At the very start SFPD and the FBI did not take seriously the idea of Ted being Z. SFPD compared the cab prints to Ted’s prints. No match. But CCCSD Crime Lab Chief Paul Holes told me there are no confirmed Z prints. The cab prints do not match to any other prints in the case or too each other. Hundreds of people use a cab, and a criminal can easily avoid leaving prints by wearing gloves (and gloves were found in the cab). SFPD no longer has confidence that the partial DNA recovered from a stamp is from Z. Paul Holes told me "I would not dismiss an otherwise strong suspect, Like Ted K or Mr. X, solely on the basis of a non-match to prints and DNA. "

SFPD had someone (we don’t know who) do a cursory handwriting comparison right after TK was arrested. Before the police had the samples of Ted’s writing from pre Z days in the 1960’s. Supposedly this "expert" said he could not match TK to Z, but unlike with Allen and every other suspect, could not rule out TK as Z either. You can see for yourself the handwriting matches, and word and phrase matches, are incredible and unlike any other suspect.

I am really not aware of anything substantial the FBI ever did on TK as Z. If they are dismissive of it, it is IMO lack of creative thinking, red tape and bureaucratic inertia.

When I talked to the FBI about Tylenol, I mentioned Zodiac in re Ted and poisoning, and they listened to what I had to say, asked a few questions, but said they only had jurisdiction for Tylenol. The FBI has mainly operated in an assist capacity on Zodiac, for codes, handwriting, etc. Murder is not a federal crime. It is debatable if Z committed extortion by US mail as he never asked for money.

The FBI never did a major investigation of TK as Z. In fact the search warrants for Ted specifically apply to crimes starting in 1978.

SFPD was interested in hearing my info and evidence on TK as Z. Paul Holes though of TK as a very good Z suspect, Inv. Larry Montgomery thought TK was a serious suspect for ONS and Z. In Ohio the Captain of the homicide suad called me about possible matches between the Bricca family murders/Percy murder and Zodiac and TK. And he and other people in county and state law enforcement sent letters to the feds to request Ted’s DNA for comparison to Zodiac, ONS and other unsolved couple and lone female murders (then thinking there was Z DNA.)

See TK not being cleared http://unazod.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=104

And TK and alibi for Z crimes http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop … =102&t=236

And shared handwriting, words and phrases http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop … =102&t=250

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Posted : December 10, 2015 9:16 pm
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This article is interesting in that it lists the numerous guns including a .22 hand gun found the cabin.

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/article/ … /304169988

Kaczynski’s cabin contained maps, guns
By Bob Anez, Associated Press writer

Posted Apr. 16, 1996 at 12:01 AM
Updated Jan 10, 2011 at 2:54 PM

HELENA, Mont. — FBI agents searching Unabomber suspect Theodore Kaczynski’s cabin found addresses of corporate executives, maps of San Francisco, bus schedules, guns and a bottle of anti-depressant medicine, according to an inventory released Monday.
In a filing released in federal court, the FBI also confirmed published reports of three typewriters found in the cabin, and several unspecified documents and notes.
However, none of the documents were identified as the original text of the Unabomber manifesto, the 35,000-word tract published in The Washington Post last year. A source told The Associated Press last week that agents found what appeared to be the original of the diatribe against modern technology.
Mr. Kaczynski, 53, was arrested at the cabin near Lincoln two weeks ago and is being held on charges of possessing bomb components. He has not been charged with any of the Unabomber attacks, which killed three people and injured 23.
In its list, the FBI did not specifically link any of the more than 600 items to the Unabomber or his crimes and did not even use the word "Unabomber."
One item simply read "One ‘Calumet Baking Powder’ can containing soldering wire." Another specified a pair of brown and green hiking boots with a brand name, Northwest Territory. One entry said "letters," another "documents."
Dozens of the entries were for chemicals. A pipe bomb was found, as was an "improvised explosive device" in a cardboard box, and five guns. Among the weapons were a .25-caliber gun, bolt-action .22-caliber rifle, Remington model .30-06, .22 caliber black-handle revolver and a hand-made gun.
The list doesn’t identify the corporate executives or the addresses.
Trazadone, a prescription anti-depressant, was found.
The list also described a hooded jacket, a blue zippered sweatshirt and hood and two pairs of plastic glasses. A witness who saw the Unabomber plant one bomb described him as wearing a hooded sweatshirt and aviator glasses, resulting in the widely circulated composite sketch.
The San Francisco and corporate executives items were cryptic. The item was listed as "One ‘Aldrich’ box containing misc. papers, newspaper clippings, bus schedule, addresses of corporate officials and maps of San Francisco."
However, the references may be significant because the Unabomber, who raged against modern technology, targeted executives.
Three of the bombings occurred in the San Francisco Bay area and two in Sacramento. Five bombs were mailed from Northern California, including two from Oakland and one from San Francisco.
The FBI list was ordered released by U.S. District Judge Charles Lovell, who authorized the search.IN HIS SHACK The Associated PressAn FBI computer list of evidence seized from Unabomber suspect Theodore Kaczynski’s cabin in Montana contained 585 listings. Some listings containing several items. Items seized included Bomb components Improvised explosive device Pipe bomb Improvised detonator Plastic jar containing triggering devices Box containing "misc. papers, newspaper clippings, bus schedule, addresses of corporate officials and maps of San Francisco" .25-caliber gun (Raven Arms), magazines containing bullets Bolt-action .22-caliber rifle Remington model .30-06 22 caliber black-handle revolver and nine rounds of ammunition Hand-made gun with spent cartridge Gun cleaning kit Hand tools, including file, drill bits, saws, tweezers and hacksaw 232 books 16 notebooks or binders Three typewriters Seven rolled-up maps White piece of paper that appears to be some kind of mathematics equations Plastic shopping bag containing Montana driver’s license and $32 cash One bottle of Trazadone, anti-depressant

 
Posted : January 10, 2016 11:24 am
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996 … -fbi-cabin

Fbi Lab Analyzes Trove Of Items From Kaczynski’s Hut
April 16, 1996|By Gary Marx and Flynn McRoberts, Tribune Staff Writers. Gary Marx reported from Chicago and Flynn McRoberts from Helena, Mont. Additional reporting was provided by Tribune staff writers David Jackson in Washington and Karen Brandon in Los Angeles.

The contrast could not be more stark: Crude bombmaking materials that once lined Theodore Kaczynski’s dark, tar-paper shack now sit in a warren of brightly lit, high-tech laboratories on the third floor of FBI headquarters in Washington.

In his Montana cabin, amid a hermit’s clutter, Kaczynski stored soldering wire in a Calumet Baking Powder can and "melted metal fragments" in a Del Monte whole-leaf spinach tin, FBI reports released Monday show.

Now, in the sprawling lab filled with computers and high-powered microscopes, dozens of FBI scientists and technicians are comparing those workshop ingredients to the fragments left by the Unabomber’s explosions.

The results of the tests will determine where and how the case against Kaczynski is built, officials said Monday.

Federal investigators have expressed confidence that they will match items taken from the cabin to the vast collection of chemical traces and bomb parts left after the Unabomber’s two recent slayings: the 1994 killing of New Jersey public relations executive Thomas Mosser, and the 1995 death of California timber lobbyist Gilbert Murray.

"The case is now in the hands of the lab," former FBI forensic specialist Danny W. Greathouse said.

Kaczynski, 53, has not been charged with any of the Unabomber attacks, which killed three people and injured 23 in nine states over the last 18 years. Arrested April 3 at the cabin near Lincoln, Mont., he is being held on a single count of possessing bomb components.

Kaczynski’s court-appointed attorney, Mike Donahue, on Monday filed court papers asking that the former math professor’s property be returned and the case dismissed. Donahue claimed Kaczynski’s rights to a fair trial have been compromised by government leaks to the media.

"The government has been intentionally leaking highly prejudicial information," the court papers said.

The computerized FBI inventory released Monday by U.S. District Judge Charles Lovell in Helena, Mont., lists several explosive devices and a variety of tools and chemicals that authorities believe were used to fashion bombs.

Agents also found a quiver of arrows and a paperback copy of "Growing Up Absurd," Paul Goodman’s 1956 celebration of youth culture and non-conformity.

They recovered a bottle of the anti-depressant trazadone, the inventory shows.

They found Kaczynski’s maps in a Tater Tots box.

Agents found the names and addresses of corporate executives in Kaczynski’s cabin, as well as street maps of the San Francisco area, bus schedules and four guns. The FBI report does not identify the executives.

Agents also found the names of 31 University of California-Berkeley professors in the cabin, most of whom worked in the mathematics department, according to university police. Federal investigators were attempting to determine whether the professors on the list had any connection to Kaczynski, although the purpose of the list was not clear.

Several of the professors, some of whom are retired, said they did not know why their names were on the list and added that they had not been contacted by federal agents.

"I can’t imagine what that list would mean," said Berkeley math professor emeritus Morris Hirsch, whose name was listed.

Hirsch said he had no recollection of Kaczynski or of even hearing the name.

"Maybe he admired our mathematics," he said.

Another university professor, Stuart Yudofsky, chairman of the psychiatry department at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, said the FBI had informed him last week that his name appeared on a "list" found inside Kaczynski’s cabin and warned him to screen his mail.

"He said they found a live bomb in the cabin and that I should be very careful about any unusual packages mailed to me," said Yudofsky, who was previously chairman of the psychiatry department at the University of Chicago Medical School.

The list of seized evidence also described a hooded jacket, a blue zippered sweatshirt and hood and two pairs of plastic glasses. A witness who saw the Unabomber plant a bomb in Salt Lake City described him as wearing a hooded sweatshirt and aviator glasses, resulting in the famous artist’s sketch of the suspect.

In a plastic jar in Kaczynski’s cabin, triggering devices were tagged with numbered pieces of masking tape.

Using stereo microscopes that enable them to examine two images at once, FBI lab technicians are comparing plaster casts of screwdrivers and other tools taken from Kaczynski’s cabin with the fragments of the Unabomber’s bombs, an official said.

Defects in a tool can leave as unique an impression as a fingerprint, a forensic scientist said.

By collecting the chemical traces left after explosions, forensic scientists are able determine the compounds used to detonate bombs. Impurities in those chemicals are also often unique and might be matched to several jars of explosive chemicals found in Kaczynski’s cabin, a government official said.

Officials said that serial bombers often reuse the same chemicals, once they arrive at a formula that works.

"A bomber follows a recipe and a plan," said former FBI crime lab director John Hicks, now deputy director of the Alabama Department of Forensic Sciences.

FBI scientists also have analyzed the alloys that made up the metals used in the bombs and are comparing these to materials taken from the cabin.

Agents have isolated DNA samples from the saliva on the back of the stamps used to mail the Unabomber’s packages and have taken samples of hair and rug fiber from the packing tape.

Agents have performed "every conceivable test" on the evidence gathered from the Unabomber attacks, according to Christopher Ronay, former chief of the FBI’s explosives unit.

Former and current federal officials said completing the tests on the newly gathered material could take as long as four months.

Said Greathouse: "Good forensics and fast forensics are mutually exclusive

 
Posted : January 10, 2016 11:53 am
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I heard rumors that a publishing company bought all of Ted’s diaries, journals and letters at the auction, with intent to release a book, but I have heard nothing since.

Hi AK, do you know what ever came out of this? I read Ted had a total of 22,000 handwritten pages in his journal, some of them ciphered including a decoding sheet. Were all 22,000 pages auctioned off to a single buyer? Or are they scattered about? What percentage of journal entries have we actually seen or got from the government? The only sources that were published were the paragraphs that were transcribed in the court docket and the photos of the auctioning of the journal?

It’d be so frustrating to not get our eyes on all of those 22,000 pages.

 
Posted : November 23, 2017 9:24 pm
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I heard rumors that a publishing company bought all of Ted’s diaries, journals and letters at the auction, with intent to release a book, but I have heard nothing since.

Hi AK, do you know what ever came out of this? I read Ted had a total of 22,000 handwritten pages in his journal, some of them ciphered including a decoding sheet. Were all 22,000 pages auctioned off to a single buyer? Or are they scattered about? What percentage of journal entries have we actually seen or got from the government? The only sources that were published were the paragraphs that were transcribed in the court docket and the photos of the auctioning of the journal?

It’d be so frustrating to not get our eyes on all of those 22,000 pages.

No I have not heard any new info since I heard that rumour. Yes, it is very frustrating.

Haven’t been real active on the Z case or TK matters for awhile, really over a year, but will have some new material to share shortly. Nothing earth shattering, but some updates on old work and some new info and work.

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Posted : December 22, 2017 11:58 am
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About the studio photo: such photos are made to be seen. The way he is dressed, the arms crossed, the framing, it is a “statement” photo.
It is what you would expect to be published with a book, an article, or made in anticipation that the press would want to publish photos of yourself and you want to provide one you feel represents you best instead of letting them use those handed over randomly by others which may not be flattering.

The date is probably on the back of the photo.

I am pretty sure that this photo was taken because Ted expected to be publicized in some way, either through something he sought to publish himself or with others, or that publicity would result in the press from his actions and this photo would have been ready to be used.

Like I said, it is definitely a statement photo. It was meant for the public. Someone must have the original and should be able to look at the back. There is the possibility that other photos could be found of other people in the same shooting conditions, same studio, but this would be difficult to look for.

 
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