To me it looks weird how it’s laid out S9S, FMF,CFC is this what you were referring to Cragle ?

Chester Clark Klingel’s daughter Sandra E Klingel lived in Eureka in 1990

The Eureka Card was mailed 1990 to the SF Chronicle.
The 2 keys on the photocopy , included in the envelope, is claimed by Tom V to belong to Chester Clark Klingel.

Now… of inters is the fact that Chester Clark Klingel’s daughter Sandra Elizabeth Klingel lived in Eureka in 1990
in fact she lived in Eureka already in 1988.

Here is info on Sandra Elizabeth Klingel, her mother and father:

Sandra Elizabeth Klingel born Jan 16, 1960
Mother:Yolanda Gloria Klingel (died 36 years old, in car accident jan 1961, Sandra, then a baby, was also injured but survived)
Father: Chester Klingel Jr

I have tryed VERY hard to find Sandra’s birth certificate but no luck.

Sandra Klingel
in the U.S., Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1
Name: Sandra Klingel
Residence Date: 1988
Address: 3960 F St
Residence: Eureka, CA
Postal Code: 95503-6004

Sandra E Klingel
in the U.S., Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 2
Name: Sandra E Klingel
Birth Date: 16 Jan 1960
Address: 5480 Cummings Rd
Residence Place: Eureka, California, USA
Zip Code: 95503-9761

Sandra E Klingel
in the U.S., Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 2
Name: Sandra E Klingel
Birth Date: 16 Jan 1960
Address: 5488 Cummings Rd
Residence Place: Eureka, California, USA
Zip Code: 95503

Sandra Elizabeth Klingel
in the U.S., Index to Public Records, 1994-2019
Name: Sandra Elizabeth Klingel
[Sandra E Kliugel]
[Sandra No Klingel]
Birth Date: Jan 1960
Residence Date: 1993-2020
Address: 5888 Cummings Rd
Residence: Eureka, California, USA
Postal Code: 95503
Second Residence Date: 1987-2020
Second Address: 5480 Cummings Rd
Second Residence: Eureka, California, USA
Second Postal Code: 95503
Third Residence Date: 1982-2019
Third Address: 6888 Mountain View Rd
Third Residence: Kneeland, California, USA
Third Postal Code: 95549
Fourth Residence Date: 1994-2019
Fourth Address: 6970 Mountain View Rd
Fourth Residence: Kneeland, California, USA
Fourth Postal Code: 95549

Sandra’s mother:

Yolanda Gloria “Lonnie” Roseboro Klingel
BIRTH 25 Dec 1925
Tucson, Pima County, Arizona, USA
DEATH 7 Jan 1961 (aged 35)
Oakdale, Stanislaus County, California, USA
BURIAL
Mount Tamalpais Cemetery
San Rafael, Marin County, California, USA

Yolanda G. Klingel was the wife of Chester C. Klingel II. She was killed in a bizarre automobile accident on Highway 120, near Oakdale CA, when the car her husband was driving hit a runaway horse. Their 11 month old daughter Sandra was seriously injured but survived. Chester Klingel was uninjured. The family lived in Stockton CA at the time of Yolanda’s death. The accident made the front page of the Modesto Bee, January 8th 1961.

Family Members
Spouse
Chester Clark Klingel
1926–2017

Inscription
Loving wife of Chester C. Klingel
Mother of Betty Jane, Sandra Elizabeth

I postet this above info 2 days ago April 20th 2021:

Also same day this info:

Chester Clark Klingel himself moved to Eureka, there is records from 2002, but when he in fact moved there I dont know?

Chester C Klingel
in the U.S., Phone and Address Directories, 1993-2002
Name: Chester C Klingel
Residence Years: 2002
Address: 2434 18Th St
Residence Place: Eureka, California, USA
Zip Code: 95501-1324
Phone Number: 707-268-0131

He has no interest in sharing anything and is only here to promote his book

I don’t recall mentioning my book here.

To me it looks weird how it’s laid out S9S, FMF,CFC is this what you were referring to Cragle ?

Weird for sure. But does it actually mean anything, assuming, that’s what Cragle was referring to.

Ok, now a larger image. The length of the word Francisco, the San on the bottom line.

What are people’s thoughts on this image of the card which has been cleaned up.
Look closely at the letters.

The handwriting has some noteworthy similarities, IMO. In particular, I like the semi-oval on the bridge of the M. In a recent thread, the handwriting sample had multiple Ms, without any of them having that detail. I’s dotted to the right of the stem, also.

"Theforeigner: I postet this above info 2 days ago April 20th 2021:
Also same day this info:
Chester Clark Klingel himself moved to Eureka, there is records from 2002, but when he in fact moved there I dont know?
Chester C Klingel
in the U.S., Phone and Address Directories, 1993-2002
Name: Chester C Klingel
Residence Years: 2002
Address: 2434 18Th St
Residence Place: Eureka, California, USA
Zip Code: 95501-1324
Phone Number: 707-268-0131"

According to his obituary Chester Clark Klingel moved to Eureka after September 1993, so who had the post office box? This is the important question. Why was he investigated if he didn’t live in Eureka in 1990. Were they his daughters?

The obit was wrong. Gaikowski’s obit got stuff wrong too.

The obit was wrong. Gaikowski’s obit got stuff wrong too.

I’m not doubting this, but Blandina Sarkis Klingel died in 1993 and was buried at 575 N. Soderquist Rd, Turlock, CA. So, we’d have to assume she died in Eureka but was buried in Turlock.

Ok, now a larger image. The length of the word Francisco, the San on the bottom line.

The Francisco is virtually exactly the in both construction and coincidentally length, the S on the bottom line shows evidence of previously being written then gone over in felt tip. The street looks very odd in comparison with the rest of the writing, did Z ever write the word street ?

Ok, now a larger image. The length of the word Francisco, the San on the bottom line.

The Francisco is virtually exactly the in both construction and coincidentally length, the S on the bottom line shows evidence of previously being written then gone over in felt tip. The street looks very odd in comparison with the rest of the writing, did Z ever write the word street ?

Depends if you believe the 2001 card Cragle.

Ok, now a larger image. The length of the word Francisco, the San on the bottom line.

The Francisco is virtually exactly the in both construction and coincidentally length, the S on the bottom line shows evidence of previously being written then gone over in felt tip. The street looks very odd in comparison with the rest of the writing, did Z ever write the word street ?

Depends if you believe the 2001 card Cragle.

I was reluctant to chime in but for me it just doesn’t look right.

Sorry I meant before this 1990 card ? Would a copycat be able to duplicate the word street from previous writings ?

From your site Richard an unaltered version of the envelope. Look at the bottom S (San), the word Street Is different from the rest of the writing. The top stroke of the E usual either joined the letter or in a lot of cases protruded ?

You know me Cragle, while I use handwriting as part of the assessment, I don’t attribute great significance to the writing, to either rule something in or out as authentic. But I understand what your saying. I believe this communication to be genuine because I think he reveals the name of Chester in it, the same as he revealed names in three other cards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Carlson

You know me Cragle, while I use handwriting as part of the assessment, I don’t attribute great significance to the writing, to either rule something in or out as authentic. But I understand what your saying. I believe this communication to be genuine because I think he reveals the name of Chester in it, the same as he revealed names in three other cards

Perhaps I should clarify my view point, I am on the fence maybe yes or maybe no, I honestly don’t know. People far clever than myself would perhaps have better judgement. Unfortunately in the past peers have stated that both my strongest but also worst trait is thoroughness. It seems like it has reared its head again. To believe this is genuine would be a leap of faith, but I’m not quite ready to take that leap.

I am simply playing devils advocate, the only part of the envelope which a “copycat” would not be able to replicate would be the word Street. This happens to be the part of the writing which looks out of place and contrived.

One thing I do know though is that it’s nice to have an discussion on a topic rather than recent vitriol.