According to Zodiac, he looked nothing like the sketch so he’s got it covered either way.

AK, I do find the case against TK extremely compelling, but did he ever have a heavyset/stocky appearance as Zodiac was described?

AK, I do find the case against TK extremely compelling, but did he ever have a heavyset/stocky appearance as Zodiac was described?

I think that is one of the biggest myths in the Z case – that he was described as heavyset. I chalk it up to many distortions by Graysmith trying to fit his 6’0", 250 pound suspect Allen. Look at the actual descriptions of Zodiac by those who (likely) saw him:

Mike Mageau: 5’8" – 5’9", 160 pounds, 25 to 30.

SFPD officers: 5’10", 180 – 200 pounds, first description 25 to 35, then 35 to 45.

Officer Fouke said on Zodiac DVD documentary that shown a photo of Allen, he thought Allen "weighed 100 pounds more" than the man he saw, and Allen had a rounded face with fat in it, whereas the man he saw had a face that was not round and had no fat.

Allen’s driver license at the time of the Z case shows him at 250 pounds, so Fouke’s estimate Allen was 100 pounds more than Zodiac puts Z at approximately 150 to 160 lbs, which matches the weight estimates of Mageau and Johns, both of whom said 160 lbs.

Kathleen Johns, who was likely in a car with him, has given various descriptions of the face over the years, after first identifying the SF sketch as the man she saw. But she was more consistent in her height and weight description – 5’9", 160 pounds, about 30.

So there is some variation in witness accounts, and witness accounts themselves are affected by distance, degree of light, angle, etc. But based on these accounts it seems Zodiac was most likely between 5’8′ and 5’10", around 160 to 200 pounds, 25 to 40 years old. Give or take 1 -2 inches and maybe 5 – 10 pounds.

Ted in 1969 was 5’9" – 5’10", about 160 pounds, 27 years old. As the Unabomber he disguised himself to look heavier, wearing two or three shirts, then a jacket, putting towels underneath the shirts to make him look fat, and putting wax in his cheeks and nose to make himself look fatter.

Ted in 1969 was 5’9" – 5’10", about 160 pounds, 27 years old. As the Unabomber he disguised himself to look heavier, wearing two or three shirts, then a jacket, putting towels underneath the shirts to make him look fat, and putting wax in his cheeks and nose to make himself look fatter.

I had no clue of this, very interesting. At first I thought the Zodiac-Unabomber theory was too fantastical but the meticulous research of yourself and the others has influenced me to think otherwise. One of the problems in researching Zodiac is witness descriptions being all over the place.

Glad you found it interesting. Many people are unaware of the actual descriptions. They do vary somewhat, but I wouldn’t say they are all over the place. Look at what I posted above – the Mageau, SFPD and Johns descriptions are all fairly close – 5’8" – 5’10", 160 – 180 pounds (200 pounds is the outlier), 25 to 35 years old (35 -45 is the outlier).

Has anyone bought the Hewitt book?

I do not own a Kindle and I don’t see that it is as of yet available in paperback. I’d be very curious to know what evidence he summons to convince himself and others that the Zodiac was Kaczynski. I’m also curious to see if he uses any of the evidence developed by Doug Oswell or myself.

For example, Doug and myself have presented evidence of 26 words and even phrases that Zodiac used that Kaczynski also used, either before or after the time of the Zodiac. I’d be very interested to see if Hewitt adds to this list, did he discover other words and phrases, and or does he use all or some of the 26 words we discovered and presented publicly on boards, and does he give credit to Doug and/or myself.

If anyone buys the book, maybe you could give a report and post it on the boards, as to what the are the main points of evidence he uses, what new evidence is presented and whether he used any of the evidence first developed by Doug and myself. Mark has shown a very serious and detailed approach in his previous Zodiac research and writings.

Is Mark Hewitt still a member here? If so maybe he could tell us more about the book, the main evidence presented and what convinced him Ted was the Zodiac.

AK WILKS, I bought the Kindle edition a few minutes before I came here to see if anyone else was reading it. I’m hoping to get some work finished so I can turn in early and start reading it tonight.

You don’t need a Kindle to device to read Kindle books. You can read them with Kindle apps on any Android or iOS device. I usually read them on my iPhone. You can also read them on any computer with a web browser using what Amazon calls the Kindle Cloud Reader, which is just a website.

https://read.amazon.com/

There’s one thing you need to know about Kindle books if you have an iPhone. You can’t buy them through the iPhone version of the Amazon app or Kindle app. You have to make the purchase from the Amazon website. Once you pay for the Kindle book you can read it on any device, including the iPhone.

Great! Thanks for the info.

You’re welcome. BTW, Amazon has a free sample of the Kindle version.

https://www.amazon.com/Exposed-Zodiac-R … ark+hewitt

Curious,
Has anyone finished reading the book? And is there any new findings? As AK & Doug, seem to have found the most research on Ted K. Too bad they didn’t write a book on their research. Did Mark H. Use any of AK’s & Doug’s research findings? And if so, did they get credit? I’m a firm believer in giving credit, where it is due.

PS: Yes Ted’s younger photos, resemble the Z composite. The ones AK posted above!

Zam*

Curious,
Has anyone finished reading the book? And is there any new findings? As AK & Doug, seem to have found the most research on Ted K. Too bad they didn’t write a book on their research. Did Mark H. Use any of AK’s & Doug’s research findings? And if so, did they get credit? I’m a firm believer in giving credit, where it is due.

PS: Yes Ted’s younger photos, resemble the Z composite. The ones AK posted above!

Zam*

Zam think you are great but really Ted compares to the Zodiac sketch and you can see it ? Zodiac sketch has him with a very small nose. Then you got Ted looking like Karl Malden with his huge nose. Sorry I see no comparison in my opinion. Not to mention other facial features aren’t close. Again my opinion.

Curious,
Has anyone finished reading the book? And is there any new findings? As AK & Doug, seem to have found the most research on Ted K. Too bad they didn’t write a book on their research. Did Mark H. Use any of AK’s & Doug’s research findings? And if so, did they get credit? I’m a firm believer in giving credit, where it is due.

I’m 18% of the way through the book according to Kindle. I haven’t seen anything yet, but so far the book has covered the early years of his life through his years as a UC Berkeley professor and talked a bit about his life as a hermit. It hasn’t gotten into the meat of the evidence.

As far photos and images, I skipped through the book and saw about three dozen. The majority are pictures of text – Z letters, journal entries, closeups of handwritten words to compare handwriting. I’m really surprised there aren’t more photos. Nothing from AK and Doug.

I searched for the word "hood" to see if there was any reference to theory their about the hood found in TK’s cabin and didn’t find anything.

I did find a novel theory about the hood. Hewitt thinks the square top is supposed to represent the mortarboard (the cap in a cap and gown) seen at a graduation ceremony, which would reflect TK’s life as a scholar. It’s possible the squared top was made from a mortarboard.

Is Doug Oswell from unazod.com credited anywhere in the book? He came up with the mortarboard idea 20 years ago or more.

Is Doug Oswell from unazod.com credited anywhere in the book? He came up with the mortarboard idea 20 years ago or more.

I’ll be darned. I didn’t know that. I searched for Wilks and got zero hits. (I don’t know if that’s a real name or not.) A search for Oswell found one mention:

Neither the FBI nor the California Department of Justice, nor any local police department ever formally cleared Kacynski of any of the Zodiac crimes. A few stalwart armchair detectives, such as Douglas Oswell, continued to seek connections between Kacynski and the Zodiac.

Well that’s rather disappointing to not give credit where it is due.

Here’s a link to Doug Oswell’s Book on Ted K.
Pretty cheap now, through Kindle, written a few years back.
Has anyone read it? Some good book reviews, by the old time Z posters, researchers.
The Motarboard Hood Reference might be on an old forum? Be nice if we could find it?

Hey, Stitch Mallone, thanks for the compliment, a few posts above. I just said resembled. I have my own theory on the Z being a Vallejo guy.

https://www.amazon.com/Unabomber-Zodiac … B004JHYSR6

Zam*