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(@mike_r)
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This book is getting some buzz on Reddit and supposedly some people have begun reading and said that it’s well written. Has anyone here read it? I’m tempted to buy it for 9.99 on Kindle but the impression I’m getting from the blurb on Amazon is that it is a code based solution and that this person has allegedly solved the 340 and it revealed the name of the Killer. Have we ever heard that one before? Anyone here know anything about this concerned citizen or this book? It allegedly mentions BD Holland’s suspects in some regard but I don’t know how and someone said but there’s actually new information about the case that they never heard before but I have no idea who they are and how much they know, so it may be things that long-time researchers already know.

The one thing that comes to mind is if this person is salt with 340 why didn’t they go to the FBI to have it verified instead of writing a book?

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : August 10, 2020 9:41 pm
Richard Grinell
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What new information? They didn’t go to the FBI with it because [1] It’s probably not correct, like the previous 10 million attempts, and [2] The FBI are fed up with being inundated with theories, and wouldn’t notice if by some miracle it was correct. Their inbox probably goes straight into the trash bin.

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : August 10, 2020 10:04 pm
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some people have begun reading and said that it’s well written.

To me that is a red flag for a non fiction book. Which probably has a lame 340 solution at the very end.

Drive by reviewers of Zodiac books can tell if it is well written but cannot in many cases tell you if it is factual or if a cipher
Solution has real merit. Calling Doranchak.

Gary Stewart book was also well written.

An enjoyable well written non fiction book should not make the fiction in it acceptable.

https://www.amazon.com/My-Name-Zodiac-c … 401&sr=8-1

 
Posted : August 10, 2020 10:19 pm
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This book is getting some buzz on Reddit…

That’s really all you need to know. Reddit is the place where they think Zodiac weighed 450 LBS, and where the ridiculously convoluted Farley theory makes sense.

Redditers also believe (based on the wanted poster) that Zodiac had asthma, diabetes, a widow’s peak, and because of what senile Officer Fouke said, that Zodiac walked like this:

That reddit Zodiac sub has the biggest collection of idiots ever gathered in one spot.

 
Posted : August 10, 2020 10:45 pm
BDHolland
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This book is getting some buzz on Reddit and supposedly some people have begun reading and said that it’s well written. Has anyone here read it? I’m tempted to buy it for 9.99 on Kindle but the impression I’m getting from the blurb on Amazon is that it is a code based solution and that this person has allegedly solved the 340 and it revealed the name of the Killer. Have we ever heard that one before? Anyone here know anything about this concerned citizen or this book? It allegedly mentions BD Holland’s suspects in some regard but I don’t know how and someone said but there’s actually new information about the case that they never heard before but I have no idea who they are and how much they know, so it may be things that long-time researchers already know.

The one thing that comes to mind is if this person is salt with 340 why didn’t they go to the FBI to have it verified instead of writing a book?

Did the writer say they didn’t send it to LE? Because writing a book with details is not mutually exclusive with LE getting the same stuff. Many books do both.

I think it’s great information gets out there, however, by whomever, to help get a break in the case. So more books all the better.

As far I know from reading you and others they have a chapter about my work. I haven’t read it so I won’t comment on it. However I hope at least they covered my latest research placing them in locations near Zodiac related places and especially the fact they lived next to the schools involved in the SRHMs. Same guy sent newspaper ads asking for kids to send him their details. He was busted for prostitution. In fact one of them was married to a school teacher in the area also. So if it covers the latest then great. If not then we need more. Simple as going off to read more. Walk and chew gum and all that.

As for Reddit. Just use the ignore button like here and things get better really fast.

As for code solving. If even Prof. Bauer who is pretty much as high up in academia as it gets when it comes to Cryptology ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptologia <– Current editor and chief of a cryptology journal) can’t win over many minds in the Zodiac community then what hope has anyone else? If the solve isn’t hitting on the same type of significance as the Z408 or other know cipher methods, then you can forget it. Bauer is pretty much telling you this. Bauer has shown you that he has incorporated forensic psychology into his solve. Meaning even he thinks it isn’t using a known cipher method. Yes there are things like one time pads, etc., but to honest I doubt the Zodiac knows what they are. He seems to be a complete neophyte when it comes to ciphers. I think that’s why he quit doing them and we got the Halloween card instead. Comic references? Hell yeah. That makes sense. Comics from the era of a Zodiac’s youth? Hell yeah. Now we are talking Zodiac. Not stupid but possibly FBI material like Joseph DeAngelo. That’s the picture I get of this guy. I mean who fails to do a chapter 1 cipher examples from a kids book? Z408 is that. The Zodiac never demonstrated he knew anything about cryptology outside of that. If he did, I’d like to see that.

Anyway A+ for someone writing something if accurate and putting it out there. More that read the better the chances of a break.

www.zodiachalloweencard.com has a 400 paged book for free containing the super solution with an overarching explanation of the cards and more.

 
Posted : August 10, 2020 11:48 pm
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After reading all this I’d better get off of Reddit lest I get lumped in with everyone else there and be called part of the collection of idiots LOL.

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : August 11, 2020 4:56 am
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Okay so I just took the plunge and spent ten bucks. First of all the guy is very arrogant. He basically sets himself up as the single holder of Truth, who’s come along 50 years later to tell us all what we’ve been missing about the 340.

I’m not a cryptographer but I know a convoluted solution when I see one. And the solution is not in any way straightforward and requires lots of different working parts and faith in his decryption methods. I’d love to see some of the more Cipher minded people on this message board read the book and render an opinion but it was far from bowling me over and wanting to remove my ebook from Amazon LOL. By the way he sort of looks down his nose at people who have tried to solve the code from the standpoint of having a suspect and then he names one of the named suspects as the solution to the code.

One thing I can’t understand is why he’s Concerned LOL.

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : August 11, 2020 5:32 am
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I believe Mr. Arrogance is the user who started this thread: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4462

I also believe I shut them down at the end.

 
Posted : August 11, 2020 5:45 am
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Geez, that guy again? I thought he started out a few years ago as being reasonably sane. He wrote a non-suspect oriented book a few years ago that I remember enjoying. Then he took over radians and inches . If this is him he’s degenerated into a holier than thou, smarter than thou, arrogant blowhard, who’s really looking down on his nose at anyone who reads his book. He almost takes on a Godlike stature in that he knows the truth and he is simply bringing the tablets down from the mountain for us commoners to read LOL. Just another guy who if he is right will prove someone else’s Theory on the case. Not much fun in that.

About 10 years ago there was a guy named Dick who came along and he was a former newspaper reporter. I remember when I first started talking to him he felt that I had solved the case and he was trying to help me. Then a few years later he came back and he said that he’d solved the case but that he couldn’t have done it without my help. Talk about condescension LOL. He said that it was KQ and ala working together. If only I were smart enough I would have seen it LOL .

He had also solved the 340 but he turned it into a word search puzzle. At that time Lyndon Lafferty was still alive and he and my friend Jim met with this guy and let him show them his solution and then explained to him that what he was doing wasn’t cryptography and that he hadn’t solve the case and that there was no key or patterns anything he was doing. This guy is sort of doing the same thing to the named suspect that comes out of this guy’s code solution LOL. He’s basically subsuming their suspect but with a Twist that I won’t reveal so as not to be a spoiler. I was polite and also didn’t name the suspect.

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : August 11, 2020 7:15 am
doranchak
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Mike, please leave an honest review on Amazon to offset the 5-star reviews there. I suspect they were all written by acquaintances of the author. :)

I first encountered the author via his youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR-08k_CKKY

He has a site for his book: http://zodiackillerbook.com/

His comment from a Zodiac facebook group where he posted the video:

define answer. It’s a homophonic substitution cipher with a transposition in the middle where there are hinged trigrams. A good portion of the key and decryption are shown in the video but it is far more fun if you find the name(s) yourself versus being told it. Go to David Oranchak’s website and click on webtoy. Tell the program to turn the puzzle vertically (read from top to bottom) and enter in the key yourself. The I and T are interchangeable so it’s easiest if you don’t decrypt them. The whole thing is a mirrored pictogram of a Z. One name is in the left "open space" and the other is in the right "open space". If you aren’t sure, use the Z13 as a key confirmation. For example, the first three letters are AEN. the H is an (A) the V is an (E) HAVE. the last three letters are NAM. N=M, E=A, M=Y. HAVE MY NAME NOW THE KEY.

it’s not a scramble of picking and choosing random letters. it’s a normal message

He also has a longer video with more details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncpLOyOKE5w
Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/ZodiacKiller/c … rsion_lol/

I haven’t studied his solution. But it looks like many others. "More of the same." I.e., a series of steps that can squeeze out a message but doesn’t take into account that many other messages are equally likely to be produced. But I can’t say that with 100% certainty because I haven’t spent the time to analyze it. Been getting solution proposals from people almost every day since I started my youtube series.

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : August 11, 2020 2:24 pm
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For you David I will do that. Yeah I wondered who those reviews were written by as well. However if I’m thinking of the right guy from Western Europe his other book was well written and an interesting points in it but it wasn’t suspect based. So I don’t doubt that the book is probably well written and then it may have a lot of interesting information in it. Maybe I’ll read the whole thing before I review it because I may actually learn something LOL. Not likely given my age and how long I’ve been at this LOL but I’ll read it out of curiosity and out of respect for not writing a review unless I read the material.

My guess is that if the people are not his family member and friends then there are people who don’t have a lot of time at the case and a solution like this given this complexity and given how dogmatic is about what he says may actually be impressing them because they don’t know about all the other millions of solutions to this code that have been offered up over the years.

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : August 11, 2020 11:13 pm
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The one thing that really stood out to me was the lack of humility. This concerned citizen isn’t proposing a solution, he’s sort of imposing a solution on us. He’s basically telling us that were too stupid to have figured this 340 out, which I admit I am because I’m not a code person and says basically the Zodiac has been winning the game for years but now I’m coming to town. The sheriff is here and after 50 years and I’m here to tell you what you should believe. That type of attitude is not going to win you many fans, especially among people who have been at this for a long time.

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : August 11, 2020 11:17 pm
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There are many others like him. Lone wolves who feel like they alone have the secrets, and all the "experts" just want to keep them down or have some hidden agenda that their "discovery" would disrupt. It’s amazing what people can convince themselves of.

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : August 11, 2020 11:36 pm
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I’m not paranoid but when you talk about the amazing things people can convince themselves of I think you’re talking about me LOL. JK Well at least I don’t have a cipher solution. And if mine is a delusion, it’s at least a shared illusion with one of the deans of behavioral profiling and a few other people much smarter than I am.

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : August 12, 2020 5:54 am
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The Bottom line is…

People want to be right.

Some will go to great extents to try and prove they are right despite being B*tch slapped by reality.

 
Posted : August 12, 2020 7:00 am
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