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"Zodiac: Settling the Score"

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Seagull
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Yes, Tahoe, Kim has been quite gracious to come on the forum and address many of the posts that people have made regarding her book. It’s a rare author that will do this and it is appreciated, by me at any rate. Too many times an author will publish a book and never interact with those of us that have been following the case for years, know the material backwards and forwards and truly want resolution.

Kim has also addressed the posts cheerfully without rancor even though some of those posts were rather disparaging toward her.

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Posted : February 15, 2016 10:56 pm
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OK, maybe I do have a little bit of a cynical edge to my world-view. But I gotta believe the reason she didn’t investigate the travel habits of Rader while stationed in Japan (aside from laziness) is because she knew her whole "theory" would be blown when she found out he never traveled anywhere at all. BTW you imply there is now conclusive evidence that Ted Kaczinsky was not the Z. I must have missed that memo.

 
Posted : February 15, 2016 11:14 pm
AK Wilks
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I do give Kim credit for coming here and addressing questions. I think I have made a strong presentation of facts and evidence, but I think and hope I have done so in a civil way. I do wish Kim, and many of these other recent authors, would have joined a Zodiac message board before writing a book and/or done more complete research.

But I do think Kim is a nice person and her motives in getting involved in the case were probably good. So the stage is set for Kim to respond in more detail or simply present the other aspects of her book. She can also explore the many other topics here and learn more about the Zodiac case, and as a former detective, contribute her thoughts and ideas about other aspects of the case.

And no TK has not been cleared of being ZK, and I can personally attest to several different active law enforcement detectives who have requested CODIS, the FBI and the Federal SuperMax Prison to obtain TK DNA and other evidence in both the Zodiac and midwest murder cases.

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Posted : February 15, 2016 11:32 pm
Tahoe27
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BTW you imply there is now conclusive evidence that Ted Kaczinsky was not the Z. I must have missed that memo.

I said nothing about conclusive evidence about Ted not being Zodiac.

For many people–including myself, there has been information provided to prove (to them) Ted to not be Zodiac, but there will be people who find loop-holes. And maybe there are truths to those loop-holes….


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : February 15, 2016 11:46 pm
AK Wilks
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Well let’s discuss that evidence provided to you that shows TK can’t be Zodiac in the TK section.

Kim made the claim that Rader could have been Zodiac by using leave time and military flights. I think I have shown conclusively that it was impossible for Rader to have been Zodiac because of the time needed to travel and be on the ground in SF without a doubt far exceeds his maximum available leave time.

Kim can now respond further to this issue if she wants. Or, as she suggested and I encouraged, she can lay out the other aspects of her book.

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Posted : February 15, 2016 11:54 pm
 Kim
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Ahhhh there’s so much to respond to, little overwhelming, well hello to everybody and hope you are doing well. How about we just start at this. I think many have spent a great deal of time questioning my motives and all which is understandable and fine. Maybe we could agree that no one can read another person’s heart. I am also sure there are a ton of things I could have done better with the book, my research, etc. etc. I felt an urgent need to get the book out quickly as I was concerned the suspect would die before someone had a chance to interview him. But either way, it is what it is and I cannot go back in time and change what I did.

That being said, is anyone out there willing to keep an open mind about the theory and try to put aside any preconceived notions or ideas? Maybe, hopefully :)

 
Posted : February 16, 2016 12:08 am
AK Wilks
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I presented a lot of facts and evidence about military flights, leave time and time needed for Zodiac to be on the ground in SF. I would welcome any response you have.

But otherwise, yes, go ahead and present your other evidence and ideas from your book.

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Posted : February 16, 2016 12:29 am
 Kim
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Yes, I read what you wrote, most impressive.
Forgetting about Rader for a moment, what are your thoughts on Zodiac being a member of the military?

 
Posted : February 16, 2016 12:36 am
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I can’t keep an "open mind" about Dennis Rader being the Zodiac because he was in the military in Japan at the time of the Zodiac murders and mailings. Maybe you’ve never been in the military, Kim, but it’s a little like being in prison. You ARE where you’re SUPPOSED TO BE. No ifs, ands or buts. As a mechanic he wouldn’t have been travelling on work-related trips. I can testify that taking military hops is so difficult and involved that most soldiers just forget about it and buy an airplane ticket. You can talk about similarities between Rader and the Zodiac, but so what? He was on a different continent.

 
Posted : February 16, 2016 1:02 am
AK Wilks
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EOTW to some extent I agree with you in part. But there may be others not totally convinced by my evidence. And even for those who think it is highly improbable to impossible might still be interested in seeing her other evidence and observations about Rader as Zodiac, or the BTK case in general or the Zodiac case in general. For those with zero interest they will just move on to other areas.

So please go ahead Kim, with any responses to the objections and questions raised and/or with presenting the other evidence and ideas you have about Rader and Zodiac.

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Posted : February 16, 2016 1:15 am
Seagull
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I can’t keep an "open mind" about Dennis Rader being the Zodiac because he was in the military in Japan at the time of the Zodiac murders and mailings. Maybe you’ve never been in the military, Kim, but it’s a little like being in prison. You ARE where you’re SUPPOSED TO BE. No ifs, ands or buts. As a mechanic he wouldn’t have been travelling on work-related trips. I can testify that taking military hops is so difficult and involved that most soldiers just forget about it and buy an airplane ticket. You can talk about similarities between Rader and the Zodiac, but so what? He was on a different continent.

EOTW, you may not like Rader as a suspect for good reason but you have conveyed your reasons to Kim already. She is trying to move on by taking Rader out of the picture and asking a different question about Zodiac and military service.

There are many people who do not believe that TK is Zodiac for reasons that they, too, feel are legitimate but they do not badger you over it. So, we understand and I’m sure Kim understands too that your not a fan of her theory. Move on and quit reading this thread if it bothers you, please.

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Posted : February 16, 2016 1:19 am
AK Wilks
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Yes, I read what you wrote, most impressive.
Forgetting about Rader for a moment, what are your thoughts on Zodiac being a member of the military?

Thanks.

As far as military I think it’s possible but not mandatory. Wing walkers and other military shoes and boots can be purchased at garage sales and surplus stores.

I do think Z had some skills as far as guns, hunting, tactics, etc. But those skills can be learned in the military or police, but also just through classes, books, hunting, target practice and life experience.

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Posted : February 16, 2016 1:24 am
 Kim
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Sorry if this reply goes in twice, thought I submitted it but maybe I hit the wrong button, eek
Hmmm just to clarify about the military thing, Other than potential personal leave, the FBI was looking into whether Rader was part of the Civil Air Patrol, not sure if anyone had a chance to look at the map, it is an older map but illustrates a point
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … p_1948.png

Regarding the military issue
Riverside College is a fifteen minute drive away via a major highway from March Air Force base
Lake Herman is a thirty minute drive away via a major highway from Travis Air Force base
The Presidio is within walking distance of the Stine murder

Any objections to this or insight, :)

 
Posted : February 16, 2016 1:37 am
AK Wilks
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No those are valid points. Graysmith and others have looked into Zodiac being current or former military. There are a lot of interesting possible connections. Other suspects are also former military. On the other hand, there are military bases all over California.

I don’t know if you know much about the possible Zodiac crime of Domingos & Edwards murder in Goleta, CA, in June1963, but that was very close to a military base as well. In fact I think the ammo used in that couples murder was traced to a batch sold in several places, one of which was the nearby base, the name of which escapes me. EDIT : It was Vandenberg AFB.

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Posted : February 16, 2016 1:45 am
 Kim
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Yes, indeed,
the watch at the Bates’ homicide was traced to a military post, in England, if memory serves
the Wingwalker shoes were actually manufactured at Lackland, although they were distributed and sold elsewhere
the blue and silver car
there are a lot of indications in respect to the military

just a thought :)

 
Posted : February 16, 2016 1:52 am
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