When I hear Fouke’s description of the "shuffling lope, slightly bent forward" I imagine that the killer likely had a pistol, wallet and bloody rags stuffed into the front of his jacket. This would likely cause him to walk in such a way to keep these items hidden and secure as to not fall out. That, in my mind, is why the way he walked appeared to be a bit abnormal.

Isn’t that the problem with Fouke’s description, it allows us to imagine a lot of things? I think you’re basically likely correct, but he could’ve just said hunched over.

On the 12-26-75 podcast they compare GSK’s crimes with Zodiac. Basically, they assert that GSK likely studied Zodiac’s success in eluding LE. And furthermore, they think that that GSK’s Contra Costa attacks around the base of Mt. Diablo were an ‘homage’ to Zodiac. Grim.

Moreover, they state that DeAngelo could well have emulated elements of Zodiac’s control strategies and cool-headedness, whereby GSK often ‘strolled’ away from his attacks, sliding into bushes if need be, but generally maintaining an air of innocence, much as Zodiac had done when leaving the Stine murder scene.

All that matters is what Fouke meant by his description of Zodiac’s walk. Unfortunately, nobody ever got Fouke to demonstrate the walk, which might have helped. Or, knowing Fouke, it probably would have confused things even more.

Most likely explanation having walked that route a zillion times: Zodiac was walking down hill and probably jumped a bit when he saw the patrol car turn the corner. And that’s when Fouke noticed him. No limp, no loop, no lope, no wooden leg.

When Fouke wrote his desription of the zodiac’s walk. was he using words in common use when filling in a police report?
The word Shuffling could be walking with a rocking side to side motion. and could be describing his body language. Anybody else would have to make an effort to walk like that. Most guys carry a wallet keys Etc. and he did carry a gun but probably didn,t bring his wallet and Driver license on that night.

When I hear Fouke’s description of the "shuffling lope, slightly bent forward" I imagine that the killer likely had a pistol, wallet and bloody rags stuffed into the front of his jacket. This would likely cause him to walk in such a way to keep these items hidden and secure as to not fall out. That, in my mind, is why the way he walked appeared to be a bit abnormal.

Most likely explanation having walked that route a zillion times: Zodiac was walking down hill and probably jumped a bit when he saw the patrol car turn the corner. And that’s when Fouke noticed him. No limp, no loop, no lope, no wooden leg.

What Tom and Nick posted is what I think, plus, Zodiac, having turned the corner, may have started to run but suddenly saw the police car coming towards him, so had to transform his gait into something less suspicious. There are several practical reasons why his gait would suddenly, and quite temporarily, have looked odd to Foulke.

Bottom line – I don’t think there’s any reason to think Z had an unusual way of walking. Lindsey Robbins watched him, from outside, and apparently didn’t say anything about the way Z walked.

For those like me, still looking for groups and factors of three in any details of the cases, did anyone notice that Darlene Ferrin’s social security number (561-66-0903) is divisible by 3, whether you take the three parts separately or as a whole?
561/3=187
66/3=22
0903/3=301
561660903/3=187220301

Is this how social security numbers were/are designed or is this just another oddity?

For those like me, still looking for groups and factors of three in any details of the cases, did anyone notice that Darlene Ferrin’s social security number (561-66-0903) is divisible by 3, whether you take the three parts separately or as a whole?

I don’t understand. What does it matter if you look high and low for random instances of the number 3? Every third number from zero to infinity is divisible by 3.

Do you think Zodiac hunted Darlene because of her SSN?

On the 12-26-75 podcast they compare GSK’s crimes with Zodiac. Basically, they assert that GSK likely studied Zodiac’s success in eluding LE. And furthermore, they think that that GSK’s Contra Costa attacks around the base of Mt. Diablo were an ‘homage’ to Zodiac. Grim.

Moreover, they state that DeAngelo could well have emulated elements of Zodiac’s control strategies and cool-headedness, whereby GSK often ‘strolled’ away from his attacks, sliding into bushes if need be, but generally maintaining an air of innocence, much as Zodiac had done when leaving the Stine murder scene.

Good to hear others listen to 12-26-75. Their Visalia Ransacker/EARONS coverage was second-to-none. These guys were linking the VR & EAR well before anyone else. And they have shown other pre-ONS and even pre-VR killings which were most likely committed by JJD.

It’s an interesting observation about GSK studying the Zodiac. Obviously the GSK crimes occurred after the Zodiac crimes. But…here I would disagree with them. He had only 5 crimes to "study", with the Stine case arguably being the only time the Zodiac fled on foot. Even adding Domingos/Edwards/Bates doesn’t necessarily change this observation. EAR definitely hid inside bushes, but generally he fled immediately on foot, often nimbly scaling fences and walls to access pre-determined escape routes which would take him back to a bike or his car.

DeAngelo had around 3 years and over 120 burglaries as the VR to hone his skills and his MO, while at the same time he was a trained police officer and worked the burglary unit in Exeter. He was described as overqualified for general police work, and some saw him as having a better future in law enforcement at a Federal level. Somehow I think JJD had a natural talent (and psychopathy to-boot). He was self-trained, so to speak – constantly learning throughout his evolution from peeping tom to prowler to burglar to rapist and killer.

The instances of 3 are not random in this application. They are embedded in the cases, in locations, dates, licence plates, cab number, SSNs, etc, not to mention the structure of the ciphers. The number 3 is not part of a complex math thing, just as the fear of 3 and also gamblers might see something in it for different reasons.

How many people could learn your SSN number back in the sixties? Lots. Employers, financial, legal, medical workers to say the least.

The instances of 3 are not random in this application. They are embedded in the cases, in locations, dates, licence plates, cab number, SSNs, etc, not to mention the structure of the ciphers. The number 3 is not part of a complex math thing, just as the fear of 3 and also gamblers might see something in it for different reasons.

How many people could learn your SSN number back in the sixties? Lots. Employers, financial, legal, medical workers to say the least.

So are you suggesting Z went after people with SSN divisible by 3? I’m trying to understand the logic of why it matters. A leaf fell in my yard today and landed in a precise location. Does that mean anything?

The leaf falling in a precise location would be of importance to someone who gets triggered by that event. We don’t need to limit the data set just because we are not going to believe a particular result.

We could look for other numbers, patterns, colors, textures, materials, shapes, times and dates, activities, whatever, but in Zodiac’s case, might as well be numbers and words.

The leaf falling in a precise location would be of importance to someone who gets triggered by that event. We don’t need to limit the data set just because we are not going to believe a particular result.

We could look for other numbers, patterns, colors, textures, materials, shapes, times and dates, activities, whatever, but in Zodiac’s case, might as well be numbers and words.

Words that he used, yes, because they may help indicate where he originated from, or his line of work. Zodiac’s activities, certainly. These are things Z consciously did, choices he deliberately made.

But most of the other things you mention: numbers, colors, textures, shapes………. looking at them for what purpose? Faraday (7) Jensen (6) Mageau (6) Ferrin (6) Stine (5) all shooting victims, and their last name letters add up to 30. That’s divisible by 3, an even ten times. So what? It means absolutely nothing and is a waste of time.

For something to be worth looking at, there needs to be a cause and effect rationale that gives significance. Observing random patterns just adds clutter (no offense intended, just saying.)

That the last name letters add up to 30 is an excellent observation.

The Lake Berryessa date, 27/9/69, is also made of parts divisible by 3. Well in the case of the 1969 part, you have to throw away 19, but that too could be a linguistic thing of sorts.

I don’t mind if others discard whatever data they choose to discard, for example what you call random and I don’t. After all, we’re all seeking justice here. Any theory has to be tested over and over and over in order to avoid trying to prove preconceived theories, for me better to collect more data.

As for Zodiac’s choices, I don’t believe that they had to be made consciously for them to matter.

I don’t think Fouke ever commented on Zodiac’s nose. Just the hairline and the chin

Not if you go by his original description. Nothing about a hairline or chin until Fouke was very old:

There are a few more clue’s in this report. The Estimate of the zodiac,s age tells us he looked like an adult. And even the way he was dressed does not make him look the part of a mugger or the shooter. it,s another reason he didn’t get caught. But Fouke did take it serious enough to forward this to the detectives on the zodiac case.

What follows is yet another one of my ideas related to structures and multiples of the number 3 in Zodiac’s communications.

First of all, I propose that Zodiac did sign his name in the ciphers, but that not all the ciphers are real ciphers. In particular Z13 and Z32 can be bogus, distractions, hubris.

But the Z13 came with a statement that says "My name is -". The idea here is the absence of letters, not their presence. So there is nothing to decipher. But it still enforces the idea that Zodiac’s name is somewhere to be found in his communications.

So why not look at the unsolved "ebeor i ete me th peti"?

It has 18 letters.
An officer said that Zodiac looked "welsh".
Zodiac uses an elaborate symbol system, one of which looks like a celtic cross. (Not to mention his signature, but that might have come in to play later)
The "welsh" or irish alphabet also has 18 letters.
"ebeor i ete me th peti" uses 9 letter of this irish alphabet.
The remaining unused 9 letters are "acdfglnsu".
These would be the absent letters being referred to in Zodiac’s "My name is -" statement.

Here is a short sample of regular anagrams that use these missing letters:

G.S. Duncalf
C.F. Dunglas
C.S. Fladung
C.S. Gandulf
C.F. Glandus
D.F. Lucas Ng
C.G. Saflund
C.G. Sandulf
D.F. Sungcal
C.F.S. Adlung

Of course there would be so many more of such anagrams, but only one of them would matter.

He was walking away from the crime scene, when Fouke noticed him. It was also stated he was going to the park. So he knew the park was his way out. and probably he was not driving that day. He must have known where to go in the park. Because it was dark enough and he couldn,t just ask someone which way is out.